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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: Latest on Alternators, Regulators, Archives, Etc. |
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Thanks! Those are great answers and they move my research along nicely.
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
At 03:42 PM 5/6/2010, you wrote:
I've been researching the archives with regard to incorporating ND alternators, and there is a lot of message traffic from the mid 2000s about the yet to be accomplished load dump research. I didn't really see a conclusion to that research. Did I miss it, or is it still underway?
No, it was something of a red-herring. Any automotive
alternator worth the price of it's brand name will withstand
it's own load-dump transient. See the rev 12 chapter on
alternators in the 'Connection.
http://aeroelectric.com/R12A/03_Alternator_12A1.pdf
I visited a very large scale re-manufacturing operation a
few years ago and witnessed a full load, max rpm, max
temperature load-dump demonstration. The folks doing the
test said that they routinely subjected their products
to 5 such dumps in a row to verify their robustness.
It seems that some things have changed over the past few years. It looks like Niagara isn't selling a kit with the ND alternator anymore? Vans is only selling a plane power alternator in their store? Should I take any information from those changes (if they really are changes)?
So what is the latest? Is there anything approaching a consensus that would lead me towards a plane power package vs a ND system? (especially, has such a consensus emerged in the past 2 or 3 years, since there obviously wasn't one back then).
The Plane Power IS an ND alternator modified for external
field supply so that an external, crow-bar ov protection
module can be added to the back of the device thus making
it conform to the legacy notions of how generators and
alternators should behave in airplanes.
I get the idea from the connection that Bob doesn't find the internal automotive regulators to be adequate for aviation use. Has anyone heard him comment specifically about the aviation adequacy of the internal regulator that plane power uses, supposedly with crowbar overvoltage protection included?
Your perception is incorrect. Again referring to chapter
3of the connection, see the passage starting with the
next to last paragraph in second column of page 3-2.
The problem I had with recommending UNMODIFIED automotive
is that the legacy control and ov protection design goals
could not be met. There was never anything wrong with the
capability of the built in regulator. Plane Power uses
the regulator that comes with the commercial off the shelf
alternator and MODIFIES the circuitry to agree with legacy
design goals.
If this is old news and it has already been covered, feel free to tell me and I'll try to find it.
The question that I'm researching to answer is "which alternator should I use?" I like the idea of local replacements for the ND setups, and I wouldn't mind learning how to use an external regulator and crowbar OV system on an automotive alternator. I'm also not afraid of a little fabrication, but I also like the sound of the plane power sales pitch when it comes to fan rotation direction and long life brushes, with all of the right brackets and such being a nice bonus. I should say that I'm shopping for a primary alternator in the 40-60A range to incorporate into Z-13/8 on a Lycoming 360.
Buying a ready-to-bolt-on kit with all the brackets
has its advantages. The Plane Power offering is a
good value. Modifying your own automotive take-off
to run an external regulator, ov protection and
lv monitor is also an opportunity for good value and
better understanding of how it all goes together.
The "long life brushes" and "fan direction" have
not proven to be an issue in thousands of automotive
adaptations to aircraft.
Bob . . .
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