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transam403(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: AC500 Question or two

I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds.  A while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B.  We had some issues and are tossing around the idea again.  Anyway, there is a seemingly nice 500 for sale on Controller.com.   Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35 Bonanza and are used to old airplanes.  I wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500, 500A, and 500B? Anything that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500?  Feedback is greatly appreciated.  My cell # is 936-577-1117

  

 Thanks a million,

 Zac Armstrong

      

All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage.  If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. 

  

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LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER  LOVING CARE & $$$$

 AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Hi Zac,  

I had a straight 500 and put about 1,100 hours on it. I found it to be extremely reliable with low maintenance costs. At the same time I had a Twin Comanche and (still) believe that those two planes in combination afforded me the best capability in terms of speed and payload when I needed it. Once I needed a left undercarriage brake rotor and some other stuff, which cost a bundle to import from the U.S. (I lived in South Africa at the time). And one other time the hydraulic line that operated the hydraulic pressure gauge cracked and nearly made us into a flying molotoff cocktail.  After the brake incident I learned to land and slow the AC down without touching the brakes.   

   

The 500 had extremely good loading capability provided one operates it at lower altitudes. In terms of pure functionality and a bit higher maintenance costs, a Miller converted 500A would seem to me to be the ultimate ship. I only have a few hours on the 500B and no time on the Shrike, so I'd rather not comment on them.   

   

You can see me playing with the AC here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA  

   

Nico  

   

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd silverman

 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:27 PM

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ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER LOVING CARE & $$$$  

    

AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD  

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Oh, I burned 22 gph (Imperial gallons) on the 500 and exactly half that on the Twin Comanche. I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was a non-event in terms of performance and comfort.   

There are other things that I did with the Commander that are not necessarily suitable to confess to. It is a worthy and honest ship which more than makes up for all its other idiosyncrasies.   

Nico  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore

 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 9:47 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: AC500 Question or two  

  

   

Hi Zac,  

I had a straight 500 and put about 1,100 hours on it. I found it to be extremely reliable with low maintenance costs. At the same time I had a Twin Comanche and (still) believe that those two planes in combination afforded me the best capability in terms of speed and payload when I needed it. Once I needed a left undercarriage brake rotor and some other stuff, which cost a bundle to import from the U.S. (I lived in South Africa at the time). And one other time the hydraulic line that operated the hydraulic pressure gauge cracked and nearly made us into a flying molotoff cocktail.  After the brake incident I learned to land and slow the AC down without touching the brakes.   

   

The 500 had extremely good loading capability provided one operates it at lower altitudes. In terms of pure functionality and a bit higher maintenance costs, a Miller converted 500A would seem to me to be the ultimate ship. I only have a few hours on the 500B and no time on the Shrike, so I'd rather not comment on them.   

   

You can see me playing with the AC here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA  

   

Nico  

   

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd silverman

 Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:27 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: AC500 Question or two  

  

       

ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER LOVING CARE & $$$$  

    

AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD  

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blorber(at)southwestcirru
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

I've probably told this story, but when 400CH (680FL(P)) first came to

Las Vegas, there was an Aero Star parked next to us.



One day, the owner of the Aero Star walked up while I was adding a 5th

(6th?) coat of wax and said, "that's a nice plane, but I like a little

more speed."



"Well, let's race," I said.



He got an indignant look on his face and said something to the effect

of, "oh, that plane will never keep up with mine."



I smiled and said, "you didn't let me finish.  The race is moving 8

people plus hunting gear from here to Del Rio, TX."

cybersuperstore wrote:

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		   I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly

 them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was

 a non-event in terms of performance and comfort.

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

You'll get them every time with that. 

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transam403(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Thanks!  I know the GIO powered birds have alot more "umph", especially when it comes to weight lifting capability.  But, I don't want the extra headaches of the gear boxes as it is becoming harder and harder (not to mention more expensive) to find people to work on them! Great video. 



      

All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage.  If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

 

  

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[quote] From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: AC500 Question or two

 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:11:04 -0700

 

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 You'll get them every time with that. 

 

 

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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

ZAC,You should sent the Serial No to Barry Coleman.  He is our historian.  He can give you a print out of who has owned the airplane from day one and all the 337 that are on file.  It is like a CarFAX history of the airplane.  

If it is the one in Trade-a-plane at $22,000 it could be a good buy.  Just don't overload it at high altitudes.

Tylor Hall



On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Zac Armstrong wrote:

[quote]Thanks!  I know the GIO powered birds have alot more "umph", especially when it comes to weight lifting capability.  But, I don't want the extra headaches of the gear boxes as it is becoming harder and harder (not to mention more expensive) to find people to work on them! Great video. 



All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage.  If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

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[quote] From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com (nico(at)cybersuperstore.com)

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: AC500 Question or two

 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:11:04 -0700

 

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 You'll get them every time with that. 

 

 

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cschuerm(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

> If it is the one in Trade-a-plane at $22,000 it could be a good buy.



Seriously?  I'd wager you could buy the nicest 500 on the planet and end 

up with a smaller investment than it would take to get that poor heap 

even marginally airworthy.  Love to see the old gal get restored but 

sure looks to me like it probably a total corrosion pit, likely has junk 

engines and props, and would need a total rebuild if the airframe is 

even salvageable.



chris

white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.c
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Sad, but looks to be bubbling nicely in the damp FL sun.....

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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Hay, be nice guys.How about 500 SG in Controller.  It is even in Lic. Dec 2009.

Nice radios.

New interior in 2003,

GPS, A/P

It looks flyable.  Corrosions ?  it is parked inside for now.

Tylor Hall



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transam403(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

We were thinking about 500SG in CA, not the one for 22K.  One thing I have learned from restoring our Bonanza is to start off with a nice airplane.  I definitely won't be buying a 22K -500.  I do also know that while a 500 is a lot cheaper initially, it does have some limitations (performance) and can eat a very large hole in a wallet (as with any airplane). 



      

All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage.  If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

 

  

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  From: tylorhall(at)mac.com

Subject: Re: AC500 Question or two

Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:21:51 -0600

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com



Hay, be nice guys. How about 500 SG in Controller.  It is even in Lic. Dec 2009.

 Nice radios.

 New interior in 2003,

 GPS, A/P

 It looks flyable.  Corrosions ?  it is parked inside for now.

 Tylor Hall

 

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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Zac,A straight 500 has 0-540 engines, carburetors and 250 HP, not the IO injected.  That came in the 500B, U and S versions.  The 500 A had the Cont. i0-470 260 HP,  The Colmill conversion changed it up to the IO-520 Cont.  

Tylor Hall



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Darn! Colemil, not Miller.   

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall

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 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

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Zac,    

A straight 500 has 0-540 engines, carburetors and 250 HP, not the IO injected.  That came in the 500B, U and S versions.  The 500 A had the Cont. i0-470 260 HP,  The Colmill conversion changed it up to the IO-520 Cont.    

    

   

    

Tylor Hall  

    

   

    

       

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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Miller made the long nose that Aero Commander copyed later.Tylor



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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall

 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:27 PM

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Zac,  

A straight 500 has 0-540 engines, carburetors and 250 HP, not the IO injected.  That came in the 500B, U and S versions.  The 500 A had the Cont. i0-470 260 HP,  The Colmill conversion changed it up to the IO-520 Cont.    

  

   

  

Tylor Hall  

  

   

  

     

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kitepilot(at)kitepilot.co
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: AC500 Question or two

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		  > A straight 500 has 0-540 engines

Is there any STC tor a straight 500 engine?

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Tylor Hall writes: 

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		   Zac,

 A straight 500 has 0-540 engines, carburetors and 250 HP, not the IO injected.  That came in the 500B, U and S versions.  The 500 A had the Cont. i0-470 260 HP,  The Colmill conversion changed it up to the IO-520 Cont.   

 Tylor Hall 

 On Jun 7, 2010, at 6:48 PM, craig kennedy wrote: 

> Sad, but looks to be bubbling nicely in the damp FL sun..... 

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> From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: AC500 Question or two

Hi,



There is just one STC, I believe, covering different engines on the straight 

500.



SA257CE, dated July 27th 1964, covers the "Installation of turbocharged Lycoming 

engines, model IO-540-A1A5 with Hartzell HC-A3VK-2/V7636D propellers in 

accordance with Riley Aeronautics, Inc. Bulletin 64-5. Riley Aeronautics, Inc. 

AFM Supplement dated July 27, 1964 required."



This STC is now held by Rayjay Parts LLC., of 10 Harbor Island Drive, Key Largo, 

Florida 33037.



Best Regards,

Barry Collman



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