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Lew Gallagher
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 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: Halotron fire extinguisher |
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Hey Guys,
With the discussion about the tunnel fire/explosion, I decided to follow up on some of the discussions about tunnel/FF nozzles, extinguishers, etc. When I called the guy that does my building's fire inspections, he said they haven't made Halon extinguishers since the mid nineties, and that they only do Halotron now. No flurocarbons, no residue, doesn't destroy electrical, etc. So I ordered a 2.5 lb one from him (Buckeye, 70256, $88.00).
Am I late on this? Is this what everyone is installing now? I searched briefly and didn't see any reference to it, so I thought I'd ask.
By the way, the one follow up report on the fire was very generic, and I'd love to hear more from the pilot other than that one quick response where he said he thought he may have hit the flap switch, and that they're basically OK. Fuel lines, pump -- anything left to diagnose what happened?
Later, - Lew
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: Halotron fire extinguisher |
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True to some extent....but you can still get them for
Aviation:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 6/14/2010 12:33 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
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Gallagher"<lewgall(at)charter.net>
Hey Guys,
With the discussion about the tunnel fire/explosion, I decided to
follow up on some of the discussions about tunnel/FF nozzles,
extinguishers, etc. When I called the guy that does my building's
fire inspections, he said they haven't made Halon extinguishers since
the mid nineties, and that they only do Halotron now. No
flurocarbons, no residue, doesn't destroy electrical, etc. So I
ordered a 2.5 lb one from him (Buckeye, 70256, $88.00).
Am I late on this? Is this what everyone is installing now? I
searched briefly and didn't see any reference to it, so I thought I'd
ask.
By the way, the one follow up report on the fire was very generic,
and I'd love to hear more from the pilot other than that one quick
response where he said he thought he may have hit the flap switch,
and that they're basically OK. Fuel lines, pump -- anything left to
diagnose what happened?
Later, - Lew
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Fly off completed !
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Lew Gallagher
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: Halotron fire extinguisher |
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Hey Tim,
Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you want
Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially obsolete?
Later, - Lew
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: Halotron fire extinguisher |
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I'm not an expert, but Halon is one of the options that
does NOT do the collateral damage. The fact that
it's obsolete isn't really 100% true. They can't
make it anymore, but, it's still made available for
aviation and is still legal to sell and use.
The Halotron is just a more environmentally approved alternate,
but often the things that are the new thing aren't as effective.
I know almost nothing about Halotron, but I know that Halon is
still available to us for planes, so I just wanted to point
that out. Halon is still the most effective though.
I suppose with google and a little
Halon vs. Haoltron search you could find a lot.
For instance:
http://www.h3raviation.com/faq.htm
http://www.h3raviation.com/press-FAA-Approval-397-398.htm
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f5/halon-vs-halotron-85693/
http://www.vetteworksonline.com/cata...products_id=77"
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-general/2195274-halon-vs-halotron.html
http://www.halotron.com/product_origins.php
Excerpt from one is below my sig.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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"The EPA recognizes that that Halon remains the most effective "clean"
extinguishing agent available, despite its ozone depleting potential,
and there are no federal or state regulations prohibiting the buying,
selling or use of Halon extinguishers. All Halon available now is
recycled so it is an environmentally responsible choice."
and
"Halon can no longer be manufactured due to the effects it said to have
on the Ozone, so all the Halon left in the world has to be recycled to
fill new canisters. Halotron 1 is the replacement gas for Halon. It has
about ½ the efficiency to Halon. For example, a 2.5LBS Halon bottle has
a UL rating of 5; where as, a 2.5LBS Halotron 1 has a UL rating of 2.
To understand the UL rating view this Halotron video:
http://www.vetteworksonline.com/videos/Amerex_WS.mov
Halon is still the granddaddy of the no mess fire extinguishers, and it
is the choice for most racers, but it is more expensive then Halotron 1.
I use Halon in my Corvettes. Put it in the front passenger seat using
the Vetteworks C3 bracket. A 2.5LBS extinguisher is sufficient enough
size. A 5 LBS is a bit big in a Corvette.
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"Halon is the gold standard in fire suppression. However it's
manufacture was prohibited under the US Clean Air Act od 1994 as it is
an ozone depleating Bromated Flurocarbon. It is still manufactured in
some third world countries. It is NOT illegal to possess and use on
actual fires.
In fact the FAA requires up to 5 1211 Halon units on all heavy
commercial airliners.
Halon 1211 is a pressurized liquid most commonly found in hand held FE's
that is a non-conductive, oxygen robbing agent that leaves no residue as
it turns to a gas at normal atmospheric pressure.
Halon 1301 is a pressurized gas used in gas flooding fire suppression
systems.
Halotron is a synthetic substitute for Halon, a 2C3FC. It is fairly new
and is supposed to be as effective as Halon however it has not been
around as long.
here's it's MSDS:
http://halotron-inc.com/msds-test.htm
With any of the above I suggest taking in a deep breath before
deployment, holding it, and running like hell to up wind.
These gases will be quickly diluted and dissipate into the atmosphere.
I recommend using the Halon as it is tried and true and is the best
agent when fire is lapping at your butt.
My personal recommendation is to use either a
AMEREX Halon 1211 2.5# hand held FE
SAFECRAFT Halon 1301 20# 3 head Fire Suppression system
OR BOTH "
On 6/14/2010 2:26 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
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Hey Tim,
Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you
want Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially
obsolete?
Later, - Lew
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: Halotron fire extinguisher |
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Halon is not obsolete; available from stroud Fire in OKC. I have in my 10.
---- Lew Gallagher <lewgall(at)charter.net> wrote:
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Hey Tim,
Good to "see" your voice -- missed you there for awhile. Why would you want
Halon if it does so much collateral damage and is essentially obsolete?
Later, - Lew
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