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 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject: Landing gear strut lubricaton & IFR currency |
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On the topic of wiping down struts: I'd like to get Morris Kernick's thoughts on this. My thoughts are:
- AvGas, while a great solvent, does not lubricate the strut.
- WD40 (Witch Doctor 40) cleans and lubricates when its fresh, gets really gummy when it's old or cold and will roll an O ring fast.
- If you're not going to wipe down your struts with 5606 prior to each flight, find a substance that is compatible with the material the O ring is made from.
- I have no idea what that other substance would be.
Moe: I had a client, Roy Everingham, who I trained in his AC-680F(P) who was not instrument rated. AVEMCO insisted on him removing the pressurization equipment!I intervened and argued that a man in is 70s, flying from San Diego to Lake Tahoe, would not be well served by lack of pressurization along that route.AVEMCO's answer was that statistically, a non-instrument rated pilot in a pressurized aircraft is going to be stuck on top of an overcast and (here's the punch line) "We have the cancelled checks to prove it."We compromised. I said that rather than remove the pressurization system that he could disable it. That seemed to satisfy the agent. The answer to your next question is, "No."You may have better luck with another underwriter -- but I doubt it. Insurance companies do not like pressurized twins to be flown my non-instrument rated or instrument-current pilots. Alternatives? Self insure or get and stay current.Keith S GordonWing Commander Gordon
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moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:51 am Post subject: Landing gear strut lubricaton & IFR currency |
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Keith,
Thank you very much for the advice. Most likely I will self insure, as pressurization is a good thing here in the rare air high mesa country.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: Keith S. Gordon (cloudcraft(at)aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:05 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton & IFR currency
On the topic of wiping down struts: I'd like to get Morris Kernick's thoughts on this. My thoughts are:
- AvGas, while a great solvent, does not lubricate the strut.
- WD40 (Witch Doctor 40) cleans and lubricates when its fresh, gets really gummy when it's old or cold and will roll an O ring fast.
- If you're not going to wipe down your struts with 5606 prior to each flight, find a substance that is compatible with the material the O ring is made from.
- I have no idea what that other substance would be.
Moe: I had a client, Roy Everingham, who I trained in his AC-680F(P) who was not instrument rated. AVEMCO insisted on him removing the pressurization equipment!I intervened and argued that a man in is 70s, flying from San Diego to Lake Tahoe, would not be well served by lack of pressurization along that route.AVEMCO's answer was that statistically, a non-instrument rated pilot in a pressurized aircraft is going to be stuck on top of an overcast and (here's the punch line) "We have the cancelled checks to prove it."We compromised. I said that rather than remove the pressurization system that he could disable it. That seemed to satisfy the agent. The answer to your next question is, "No."You may have better luck with another underwriter -- but I doubt it. Insurance companies do not like pressurized twins to be flown my non-instrument rated or instrument-current pilots. Alternatives? Self insure or get and stay current.Keith S GordonWing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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From: Jack B. Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton
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On another note, are any of you able to keep insurance on a pressurized Commander, without having an instrument check ride at least once a year? After moving to Farmington, NM it is not necessary to stay instrument current, as we have two types of weather here....vis. at least 100 miles, or so bad that you don't want to Taxi. Also, since my retirement, most flying is just for fun, and if I must sit on the ground until the weather clears at MYF or somewhere, this only means that I have more time to enjoy the local stuff. My insurance carrier (AVEMCO) who has been good for many years, insists on the check ride only because of the pressurization. Also, because of the pressurization, a co-pilot will be needed when I turn 70.
If someone has a good 680F or 680FL I would consider trading up, down, or sideways for my 680Fp, which has mid time engines, all the bells and whistles, is certified known icing, and is in really great shape except the paint job which could use some help. Due to the high density altitude here I can only consider forced induction with big horsepower.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: John Vormbaum (john(at)vormbaum.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:55 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Landing gear strut lubricaton
Personally, I always thought that the only thing stickier than super glue is hydraulic fluid. I use Commander-Approved Strut Cleaning Fluid (i.e. some fuel from the sump, on a paper towel) to wipe down the struts before I fly. It gets them clean easily and evaporates quickly.
I haven’t heard of DOW40 but am curious to hear from anyone who has used it.
Cheers,
/John
500B N353CC
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ([email]owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?[/email])] On Behalf Of Dave Gerrish
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:08 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Landing gear strut lubricaton
I have been reading the communications for a couple of years, but this is my first try at asking for input.
Before every flight we wipe hydraulic fluid on the strut to make it less sticky and wipe off any grime. I had a mechanic at our airport (KHWY, Warrenton, Va.) suggest to me that a product I believe called DOW40 be sprayed on instead. His thought was that it kept the oleo slippery longer and did no harm to the internal seals. Does anyone have opinion or experience with this product.
Sincerely,
Dave Gerrish
Co-owner, 500S, N47AC
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