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Sure wish they would finish work on the Skyview first instead of
spreading their efforts all over the place. Their lack of commitment to
get their software finished, a year after it was announced, and not
being anywhere close to AFS or GRT for a mature product would argue
against creating more product lines.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: New Dynon products |
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with Kelly's opinion of the Dynon development schedule. I have committed to that system and am in the process of wiring for it. (There are LOTS of wires going in! ). I am planning a full suite of gadgets to accommodate all the future requirements for ADS-B, even if our government can't make up their minds. That would include a Mode S transponder, a Universal Access Transceiver, a Waas certified GPS (430), a fully capable autopilot (roll steering), and anything else I can think of. As an example, I'm running redundant network bundles aft, (so the ADHRS won't have to share with the pitch servo), triple SERIAL runs for aft mounted UAT, GPS receiver, and 406 ELT, etc., etc. etc.
My point is that, at least for me, as a builder in the wiring stages, not yet flying, I was greatly relieved to see Dynon prioritize the development of items that I'll be needing soon to complete my system. The 10's limited panel space necessitates some remote mounted avionics, and Dynon's strategic partnership with other vendors to provide this equipment in a timely matter was a very smart move. The inexpensive, high quality, small footprint, proven transponder with an elegant interface to SkyView is an example. The NavWorx UAT, which will talk to SkyView is another. Although I am anti Garmin (monopoly), I am very pleased that I will now have full roll steering and vertical guidance from the 430, that I'm forced to buy, install, and feed expensive updates to. These are examples of things I thought I would have to wait a couple of years for, and would not be able to provision for accurately now.
The free software updates are coming fast and furious as well. If you check the website you'll see that most of the functions that are critical are already operational, and the "nice to have" ones are marching in as well. Compare that to Garmin stuff that moves at a snails pace and costs at least five times as much.
I guess if I had been a pioneer installer of a SkyView in a minimally equipped VFR machine, with minimal provisions for future Government mandated equipment installations, I probably would be more interested in how quickly the promised bells and whistles came along. I am confident that by the time I fly, maybe in a year, that nearly every accoutrement I want will be there. I also feel that with Dynon's large presence in the homebuilt and now the LSA market, they have the best chances of being there as well.
Chris Hukill
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: New Dynon products |
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We seem to be in the same place except I already committed to my panel and wish Dynon had said something to me earlier about the transponder. If one looks at their Fall/Winter schedule of releases there is nothing in there about the transponder. I was under the impression it would not hit for another year or I might have gone this route. One feature I would like to see that many consider "nice to have" but is critical to me is the serial communications to the Vertical Power, in this case I see Kelly's point; get it working with other components as AFS has done, before taking on more. I don’t have a problem with the new releases except I wont be able to maximize from any of them at this point so I want all the software updates to the items I do have- AP and the EFIS/EMS settings.
Pascal
From: Chris Hukill (cjhukill(at)cox.net)
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:24 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: New Dynon products
I'll have to respectfully disagree with Kelly's opinion of the Dynon development schedule. I have committed to that system and am in the process of wiring for it. (There are LOTS of wires going in! ). I am planning a full suite of gadgets to accommodate all the future requirements for ADS-B, even if our government can't make up their minds. That would include a Mode S transponder, a Universal Access Transceiver, a Waas certified GPS (430), a fully capable autopilot (roll steering), and anything else I can think of. As an example, I'm running redundant network bundles aft, (so the ADHRS won't have to share with the pitch servo), triple SERIAL runs for aft mounted UAT, GPS receiver, and 406 ELT, etc., etc. etc.
My point is that, at least for me, as a builder in the wiring stages, not yet flying, I was greatly relieved to see Dynon prioritize the development of items that I'll be needing soon to complete my system. The 10's limited panel space necessitates some remote mounted avionics, and Dynon's strategic partnership with other vendors to provide this equipment in a timely matter was a very smart move. The inexpensive, high quality, small footprint, proven transponder with an elegant interface to SkyView is an example. The NavWorx UAT, which will talk to SkyView is another. Although I am anti Garmin (monopoly), I am very pleased that I will now have full roll steering and vertical guidance from the 430, that I'm forced to buy, install, and feed expensive updates to. These are examples of things I thought I would have to wait a couple of years for, and would not be able to provision for accurately now.
The free software updates are coming fast and furious as well. If you check the website you'll see that most of the functions that are critical are already operational, and the "nice to have" ones are marching in as well. Compare that to Garmin stuff that moves at a snails pace and costs at least five times as much.
I guess if I had been a pioneer installer of a SkyView in a minimally equipped VFR machine, with minimal provisions for future Government mandated equipment installations, I probably would be more interested in how quickly the promised bells and whistles came along. I am confident that by the time I fly, maybe in a year, that nearly every accoutrement I want will be there. I also feel that with Dynon's large presence in the homebuilt and now the LSA market, they have the best chances of being there as well.
Chris Hukill
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: New Dynon products |
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You mean, you thought it had unlimited panel space? 
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
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On Jul 30, 2010, at 11:29 AM, lessdragprod(at)aol.com (lessdragprod(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote] WOW! I hadn't heard about the RV-10's limited panel space until now.
Jim Ayers
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: New Dynon products |
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While I have been known to be the biggest exaggerator in the history of
exaggerators which may be a bit of an exaggeration… The Garmin products are
not 5 times the price of Dynon products. In fact with the recent $3,500
rebate the G3X suite is surprisingly competitive with the Dynon Skyview. I
recall a recent email from Stein to the RV-list that detailed a 2 screen
Garmin G3X running between $11K & $13K (after rebate) while dual Dynon 10”
system was also around $11K. Now of you want to compare the 10” Skyview to a
$55,000-$60,000 G900X then you have a point but the G900X does happen to
have a couple of extra nick nacks like dual integrated 16 Watt Comms,
Transponder WAAS certified GPS… Even referring to the Dynon Transponder
which sells for $1,800 to $2,200, the Garmin GTX327 & GTX330 are about
$1,700 and $3200. Somewhat more expensive but again not 5 times the price. I
do appreciate the integrated nature of the Dynon transponder much like I
enjoy my integrated transponder (and comms) on my G900X but there is also
some comfort in knowing there are tens of thousands of GTX330’s deployed in
the field from corporate jets to over the top Cubs.
Again when comparing the G3X with the Skyview one has to consider the
engineering and design thought put into each system as well as the ready for
market nature of the products. I understand that Dynon went from one of the
easiest to install systems to basically one of the most complex systems
while Garmin went from what looked like a horse tail of electrical wire to a
single connection coming out of each G3X display. Now that is the direction
all avionics should consider heading. We can bitch about those #$%((at) *(at)%$!
at Garmin because of their pricing but the items they offer are in stock and
work. I have a great deal of comfort flying behind my G900X and would not
swap it out for any other system on the market and I have been impressed
with other systems. After strongly considering dual 7” Skyviews I will be
placing a dual screen G3X system with a Garmin stack in my RV-8A scheduled
to fly before the end of the year. I am thrilled there is competition in the
EFIS market, and I am sure Dynon’s presence was partially what caused Garmin
to offer the $3,500 rebate and I believe the Skyview is a significant step
up in their product line but the price difference is much smaller than once
might think.
Robin
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*Subject:* Re: New Dynon products
WOW! I hadn't heard about the RV-10's limited panel space until now.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 sn 10050 650 hours
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:40 am Post subject: New Dynon products |
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Can you please expand on "Dynon went from one of the easiest to install systems to basically one of the most complex systems"? I have not installed a SkyView yet, but my understanding is that the wiring is almost identical to the D-100 line, which is, in my experience, one of the easiest systems to install.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
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On Jul 30, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
[quote]While I have been known to be the biggest exaggerator in the history of exaggerators which may be a bit of an exaggeration… The Garmin products are not 5 times the price of Dynon products. In fact with the recent $3,500 rebate the G3X suite is surprisingly competitive with the Dynon Skyview. I recall a recent email from Stein to the RV-list that detailed a 2 screen Garmin G3X running between $11K & $13K (after rebate) while dual Dynon 10” system was also around $11K. Now of you want to compare the 10” Skyview to a $55,000-$60,000 G900X then you have a point but the G900X does happen to have a couple of extra nick nacks like dual integrated 16 Watt Comms, Transponder WAAS certified GPS… Even referring to the Dynon Transponder which sells for $1,800 to $2,200, the Garmin GTX327 & GTX330 are about $1,700 and $3200. Somewhat more expensive but again not 5 times the price. I do appreciate the integrated nature of the Dynon transponder much like I enjoy my integrated transponder (and comms) on my G900X but there is also some comfort in knowing there are tens of thousands of GTX330’s deployed in the field from corporate jets to over the top Cubs.
Again when comparing the G3X with the Skyview one has to consider the engineering and design thought put into each system as well as the ready for market nature of the products. I understand that Dynon went from one of the easiest to install systems to basically one of the most complex systems while Garmin went from what looked like a horse tail of electrical wire to a single connection coming out of each G3X display. Now that is the direction all avionics should consider heading. We can bitch about those #$%((at) *(at)%$! at Garmin because of their pricing but the items they offer are in stock and work. I have a great deal of comfort flying behind my G900X and would not swap it out for any other system on the market and I have been impressed with other systems. After strongly considering dual 7” Skyviews I will be placing a dual screen G3X system with a Garmin stack in my RV-8A scheduled to fly before the end of the year. I am thrilled there is competition in the EFIS market, and I am sure Dynon’s presence was partially what caused Garmin to offer the $3,500 rebate and I believe the Skyview is a significant step up in their product line but the price difference is much smaller than once might think.
Robin
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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:29 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: New Dynon products
WOW! I hadn't heard about the RV-10's limited panel space until now.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 sn 10050 650 hours
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: New Dynon products |
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A near direct quote from Stein (Sorry Stein) from a conversation I had with him before making the decision to go with the G3X. I wish I had more detail than that but I don’t and generally I would not pass on hearsay but Stein knows his stuff. Regardless my point is the G3X is a single connection coming out of each display which has to save a huge amount of time and make future upgrades and system modifications faster, cheaper and simpler.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:39 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: New Dynon products
Can you please expand on "Dynon went from one of the easiest to install systems to basically one of the most complex systems"? I have not installed a SkyView yet, but my understanding is that the wiring is almost identical to the D-100 line, which is, in my experience, one of the easiest systems to install.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
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F: 815-377-3694
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Kellym
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: New Dynon products |
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But the G3X is not comparable to the Skyview in several factors. It has
the not so desirable vertical orientation, tiny screen, the absymal
Garmin user interface(a GNX430 is 4 times worse to operate than an old
Garmin 90), and the Jeppeson update pricing. One must also consider that
5 years has been about the max Garmin has supported their portables. The
G3X is little more than a mounted 696, so will it get the support of a
G900 or 1000, or the support life of a 396? Don't know the answer, but
not a fan of brand Gorilla.
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A near direct quote from Stein (Sorry Stein) from a conversation I had
with him before making the decision to go with the G3X. I wish I had
more detail than that but I don’t and generally I would not pass on
hearsay but Stein knows his stuff. Regardless my point is the G3X is a
single connection coming out of each display which has to save a huge
amount of time and make future upgrades and system modifications
faster, cheaper and simpler.
Robin
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<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2010 9:39 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
*Subject:* Re: New Dynon products
Can you please expand on "Dynon went from one of the easiest to
install systems to basically one of the most complex systems"? I have
not installed a SkyView yet, but my understanding is that the wiring
is almost identical to the D-100 line, which is, in my experience, one
of the easiest systems to install.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject: New Dynon products |
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To some of your points... maybe. To your statement that it's little more
than a panel mounted 696, No.
Robin
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: New Dynon products |
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"For homebuilders, the G3X is the big news. Based on the GDU 370/375
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panel-mount multifunction displays (themselves similar in layout and
design to the GPSMAP 696), the G3X is a modular EFIS/engine monitor.
All systems begin with a 7-inch-diagonal portrait display and can be
scaled up to work with two or three screens and a great variety of
plug-in options."
Yes, it does more, mainly engine monitoring. Is it really different
parentage? Who knows?
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To some of your points... maybe. To your statement that it's little more
than a panel mounted 696, No.
Robin
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I have also read statements from Garmin & others that the G3X has the same
form factor but it's not the same device.
How I view it is can I save a bunch of money by placing two 696's in my
RV-8A and get the same functionality as a dual screen G3X? Can I fly legal
IFR with dual 696's? I fully expect Garmin's traffic module to integrate
directly into the G3X (Ok, you got me that that is 5 times the price, but
you can also install Navworx). And in my current project an 8A panel I
think dual Portrait displays actually work better in that space than dual
7" Dynon 's but that is 100% personal preference. The only way to fit dual
10" on an RV-8 is to stick one in the back seat.
Kelly don’t get me wrong, compared to a decade ago there are few wrong
choices and I am THRILLED to have the diverse avionics selection. I am
also a fan & supporter of Dynon having had several of their products
including my backup device to my G900X. I was really responding to the 5
times the cost statement and pointing out that the price difference is
much, much, much less than stated, especially after the rebate. I came to
a similar conclusion when purchasing my G900X. When building a higher end
panel and analyzing the difference in price between a piece meal (bad
term) panel with a full Garmin stack including 430W, transponder, audio
panel, dual EFIS blah, blah, blah the price difference was "relatively"
small to step up to the G900X which I hope we can all agree is a
spectacular suite.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Robin
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