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 Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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Most of you know I'm not a big fan of the AG5B. All of the clean and simple ideas that went into the AA5B have been bastardized. Yea, I'm working on an AG.
(1) The seat bottom of the rear seat. WAY TOO MUCH PADDING. You can't even put the seat bottom in it's cargo position without standing on it. The corners have been padded when it sits on the braces on the spar. Brilliant.
(2) The carb air inlet. ON THE BOTTOM OF THE COWLING? Even some sort of NACA inlet, like the Cheetah inlet, on the left side would have been better than just a hole. That's being fixed on the Project X Plane.
(3) The brake line inside the cabin. Why was a joggle put in the brake line under the spar? Oh, I see, so the metal kick panels can chafe on it. Gotcha. It was fine the way it was.
(4) Wiring from the panel to the back. This is a tough one. On the AA5x, the primary path is along the console, up over the spar, under the rear console, and to the back. On the AG5B, wires run along the bottom on both sides. The biggest problem I have with this is brake fluid, fuel, and water also runs along the bottom. I've seen a lot of oil soaked/gummy wires on even new AGs.
I've done both on my planes, looking for an optimal solution. Not so easy. In the latest iteration, the one I've used for the last 4 years, I use my fiberglass armrests (see pics) for the wiring. The way the side panels are installed, it makes maintenance (i.e., lazy avionics guys) easy to get to the wiring. When I installed an S-Tec 30, I used the pilots side armrest. I have Adel clamps that hold things all neat and orderly.
(5) Fuses on the battery box. Five fuses. Really? Why? Oh, yea, for ground operation so you can run the battery down before you go flying. Gotcha. The reality is, this 'convenience' is something that does more harm than good. Instead of getting the engine running and warming up the oil, you sit there and run the battery down. If you can't input the flight plan in the two to five minutes it takes to bring the engine up to operating temperature, you are unprepared to go flying. Go home. Start over.
(6) The decision to remove the airframe as ground for the electrical system. I did a firewall forward restoration on an AG. After installing the engine mount, battery and starter relays, battery box, and new battery, I hit the Master Switch to check things out. Nothing. WTF? I checked a lot of things and found there was no ground on the master switch. Grounding to the airframe did nothing. Whatever. I continued hooking things up, relocation wires, and suddenly, I had power. One of the wires I ran to ground (on the engine mount) made every thing come alive. I created a single point ground on the firewall and ran all of the grounds to that point.
(7) Mounting the oil pressure transducer on the left side of the firewall and running the oil pressure hose across the back of the oil filter to get there. HELLO. McFly. Why not mount the transducer on the right side of the firewall and use a 10 inch hose directly to it? It makes maintenance easier also.
( The shunt on the firewall. WHY? How about cleaning up the firewall and mount this inside?
(9) The throttle quadrant. Taking a very simple throttle quadrant and making this about as complicated and maintenance intensive as was possible doesn't make sense. Oh, except that now you can pretend you're flying a bigger plane.
(10) Fiberglass console so you can have heat to the back seat. Let's see, on the average no one rides in the back seat. BUT, for the 1% who do, and do so in the winter, let's add 10 lbs to the airframe empty weight and, while we're at it, make installation and removal difficult too.
(11) Bondo on the sides of the fuselage to hide the bond lines. Yea. Right. Let's add 100 lbs to the empty weight so that no one can see that it's bonded together.
(12) The Cannon plug on the firewall. OK. There is some potential advantage. Two separate wiring harnesses; one inside, one outside. But, any changes, e.g., adding an engine analyzer, means drilling a new hole. To add a wire to the Cannon plug requires installing those connector pins to both sides. Look at the firewall on a 70's era AA5x. That's how many wires are needed through the firewall.
(13) Using the spar to run the wires. OK, it's there, it's simple. Put a connector at each end of the wing. Presto. BUT, how about putting the hole on the front of the spar instead of the rear? Putting it on the front eliminates running the wires under the spar. I took a picture of wires trapped under the closeout under the spar but I didn't bring the camera home to down load it. Here is another suggestion, those wires that go into the spar, run them down the console like the real Tiger and into the front of the spar. That totally eliminates the wires running from the right side wall under the spar to the hole in the back of the spar.
Ockham's Razor.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Well Gary, You are the first to know. We have a 1977 AA5B with 1,800 TOTAL hours, and a ZERO time
engine just done by Pacific Continental Engines here at Whiteman airport, in L.A.
And it will be for sale soon. Original paint, original interior. Always hangared.
Ron Millman, CPA 818-241-3286, Glendale, CA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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(2) The carb air inlet. ON THE BOTTOM OF THE COWLING? Even some sort of NACA inlet, like the Cheetah inlet, on the left side would have been better than just a hole. That's being fixed on the Project X Plane.
I thought the AG5B had an NACA inlet duct on the LH side with the air cleaner attached to the cowling??
Cliff
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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how much? any pics?
From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com>
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Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 4:13:38 PM
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DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Well Gary, You are the first to know. We have a 1977 AA5B with 1,800 TOTAL hours, and a ZERO time
engine just done by Pacific Continental Engines here at Whiteman airport, in L.A.
And it will be for sale soon. Original paint, original interior. Always hangared.
Ron Millman, CPA 818-241-3286, Glendale, CA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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Hey Ron, do you know Anne Marie? She's also hangared at Whiteman. She's a doll. You'd like her.
From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa(at)msn.com>
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Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 4:13:38 PM
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DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Well Gary, You are the first to know. We have a 1977 AA5B with 1,800 TOTAL hours, and a ZERO time
engine just done by Pacific Continental Engines here at Whiteman airport, in L.A.
And it will be for sale soon. Original paint, original interior. Always hangared.
Ron Millman, CPA 818-241-3286, Glendale, CA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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I thought I had a pic of the hole. Guess not. I suggest you find an AG5B and take a look.
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Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 4:29:56 PM
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DIV { MARGIN:0px;} (2) The carb air inlet. ON THE BOTTOM OF THE COWLING? Even some sort of NACA inlet, like the Cheetah inlet, on the left side would have been better than just a hole. That's being fixed on the Project X Plane.
I thought the AG5B had an NACA inlet duct on the LH side with the air cleaner attached to the cowling??
Cliff
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Yes, I have met Anne Marie. I really do not spend much time (at) WHP, but do
go to Assoc. Meetings. Ron.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> [img]cid:003101cb5df5$554929e0(at)Ron[/img][img]cid:003201cb5df5$554950f0(at)Ron[/img] Photo E-mail [url=http://photos.msn.com/Viewing/Album.aspx?PST=8nK2AN1B!1JmZao!iR2Cw1RlHSZR97B6iI7lEjfW!zJLqVRmElPpOlq51gSidfOe5FcdCN2*kySCRMEYcaL4Vg%24%24]Play slideshow[/url] | Download images Probably to price it just a shade above $60 K. I have some old photos that
I will send, but the new engine will be gorgeous!
Ron. click on photos to enlarge.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: The AG5B |
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You're working on an AG5B now. Why not just take a photo and post it?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: The AG5B |
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the cowling is in Lancaster getting a new inlet.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: The AG5B |
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I found one. This is Larry's plane.
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the cowling is in Lancaster getting a new inlet.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: The AG5B |
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Kevin, if you're listening, here is a firewall on an AG. Move the shunt and it's a lot cleaner.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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Hi Gary,
This is a late model AG5B pic of the shunt - it is mounted where the AA5B has the Voltage Regulator. The connections are now housed inside an enclosure to clean up the look. This particular plane has the G1000 so you may notice a couple of extra fuse holders (intentionally not hidden up under the panel) that are not on the earlier models.
I'm normally way behind on list reading but I'm listening as often as I can - not always responding, but listening.
I hear it's really hot out in Cali today - say cool 
Kevin
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: The AG5B |
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the pic of the AG shunt had that box. Looks tacky. Looks like someone said, "Where should this shunt go?" "I dunno." came the reply. "How about here. This space isn't being used anymore." Never mind that there is no maintenance ever required on it and it takes away from an otherwise clean firewall. There is no reason that shunt needs to be there. I've installed a number of Mitchell gauges and the shunt mounts conveniently in a number of places under the panel.
From: Kevin Lancaster <jkevinl(at)bellsouth.net>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 4:10:00 PM
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DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Hi Gary,
This is a late model AG5B pic of the shunt - it is mounted where the AA5B has the Voltage Regulator. The connections are now housed inside an enclosure to clean up the look. This particular plane has the G1000 so you may notice a couple of extra fuse holders (intentionally not hidden up under the panel) that are not on the earlier models.
I'm normally way behind on list reading but I'm listening as often as I can - not always responding, but listening.
I hear it's really hot out in Cali today - say cool
Kevin
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