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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

Hi all

I'm just starting to rivet my tail cone together and thinking am about add ons for the interior of the tail cone. I am wondering where to purchase the NACA vents that have been used to supply air to the overhead consoles? Also the plastic or nylon lightening hole wire ties?

I'd also like anyones opinions on where to place doublers for Nav and Com antennaes. I recall seeing a doubler near the aft end of the bottom skin for a nav antennae. I also believe others have placed one com antennae on the the bottom, but think they usually go under the baggage area?

As well I'd like to rivet the little Avery Tools rudder cable fairings to the aft side skin and am wondering about placement over the long narrow oval holes? I guess I'm wondering where the cable actually exits the skin?

Thx.

Rick
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

Rick,

You’ll probably get as many different responses as there are folks on this list.

There is no hurry for the naca vents in the rear. The top skin is one of the last items you rivet, so you can be 95% done with the whole aircraft and still install the naca vents. I installed mine well after I attached the empennage to the fuselage. You also want to check out Aerosport Products naca vent controller.

I’m not sure what you mean by lightening hole wire ties. There are wire ties, but none are specific for holes. I prefer adel clamps and lacing, but you’ll find folks that are just as satisfied with nylon wire ties. There should be plenty in the archives debating the merit of both approaches and using wire ties firewall forward. There is also a special grommet edging for the holes to protect wiring from rubbing. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/grommetedging.php) For bringing wires through holes, I prefer using F-10111 (-R-L) and an adel clamp. You can order the F-10111 from Vans or simply make your own. I’ve included an excerpt from the plans that you probably don’t have yet (OP37-11) to show you.

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For the locations of the antenna, there are also many opinions. You’ll want to understand the minimum distance required between each antenna. Do you have a list of all the devices you’ll need an antenna for? Be sure to include all GPS antenna (you may have more than one) and other options like XM and Navworx (ADS-B). My comm antenna are under the rear seat. Some folks prefer one on the bottom and one on the top for better ground communication. You’ll want to keep about 3’ between them. As far as the NAV goes, I haven’t decided on whether I’m going to locate it on the rear of the empennage or in the top of the vertical. I’ve seen both install locations. I’ve also seen the cat whisker type installed backwards too and it seems to work ok. Commant’s instructions stat that the whiskers should point forward. Others have put something like Bob Archer’s antenna in the wing tips with mixed results. Some work great and some don’t.

On the fairings, wait until you have the cable installed for precise placement of the fairing. Then you can judge how forward or aft you want to locate the fairing. I also used the fairings where the rudder cables come out of the tunnel in the cabin.

Hope this helps…….

Bob
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Subject: wire ties, NACA vents

Hi all



I'm just starting to rivet my tail cone together and thinking am about add ons for the interior of the tail cone. I am wondering where to purchase the NACA vents that have been used to supply air to the overhead consoles? Also the plastic or nylon lightening hole wire ties?



I'd also like anyones opinions on where to place doublers for Nav and Com antennaes. I recall seeing a doubler near the aft end of the bottom skin for a nav antennae. I also believe others have placed one com antennae on the the bottom, but think they usually go under the baggage area?



As well I'd like to rivet the little Avery Tools rudder cable fairings to the aft side skin and am wondering about placement over the long narrow oval holes? I guess I'm wondering where the cable actually exits the skin?



Thx.



Rick

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

Hi Bob. Thx for the advise.

Looks like I'm jumping the gun a bit with the vents, so I'm glad to hear they can go in much later. Do you know where to purchase the vents? It takes lots of time to get things shipped up here in the "wilds of Canada".

I am concerned about the rudder cable fairings as I don't see how I'd get in there after the aft deck is in place, so I may take a chance and put them in before I close up back there.

With regards to the lightening hole wire ties, I got lucky this morning and found them in the Panduit Co. web site. They are part # LHMS-S10, under the "cable management accessories>wire management mounts used with cable ties>screws/rivet applied" part of the Panduit web site. I think they're pretty slick. Just gotta find out who stocks them.

I do know what I'm going to install as far as avionics, just got to decide where I want the antenna's. If anyone has a picture of the rear mounted "cat's whisker", please let me know.

Regards,

Rick
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Subject: RE: wire ties, NACA vents
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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Rick,



You’ll probably get as many different responses as there are folks on this list.



There is no hurry for the naca vents in the rear. The top skin is one of the last items you rivet, so you can be 95% done with the whole aircraft and still install the naca vents.� I installed mine well after I attached the empennage to the fuselage. You also want to check out Aerosport Products naca vent controller.



I’m not sure what you mean by lightening hole wire ties. There are wire ties, but none are specific for holes. I prefer adel clamps and lacing, but you’ll find folks that are just as satisfied with nylon wire ties. There should be plenty in the archives debating the merit of both approaches and using wire ties firewall forward. There is also a special grommet edging for the holes to protect wiring from rubbing. (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/grommetedging.php) �For bringing wires through holes, I prefer using F-10111 (-R-L) and an adel clamp. You can order the F-10111 from Vans or simply make your own. I’ve included an excerpt from the plans that you probably don’t have yet (OP37-11) to show you.



[img]cid:1.1725059738(at)web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com[/img]





For the locations of the antenna, there are also many opinions. You’ll want to understand the minimum distance required between each antenna. Do you have a list of all the devices you’ll need an antenna for? Be sure to include all GPS antenna (you may have more than one) and other options like XM and Navworx (ADS-B). My comm antenna are under the rear seat. Some folks prefer one on the bottom and one on the top for better ground communication. You’ll want to keep about 3’ between them. As far as the NAV goes, I haven’t decided on whether I’m going to locate it on the rear of the empennage or in the top of the vertical. I’ve seen both install locations. � I’ve also seen the cat whisker type installed backwards too and it seems to work ok. Commant’s instructions stat that the whiskers should point forward. Others have put something like Bob Archer’s antenna in the wing tips with mixed results. Some work great and some don’t.



On the fairings, wait until you have the cable installed for precise placement of the fairing. Then you can judge how forward or aft you want to locate the fairing. I also used the fairings where the rudder cables come out of the tunnel in the cabin.



Hope this helps…….



Bob

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Hi all





I'm just starting to rivet my tail cone together and thinking am about add ons for the interior of the tail cone. I am wondering where to purchase the NACA vents that have been used to supply air to the overhead consoles? Also the plastic or nylon lightening hole wire ties?





I'd also like anyones opinions on where to place doublers for Nav and Com antennaes. I recall seeing a doubler near the aft end of the bottom skin for a nav antennae. I also believe others have placed one com antennae on the the bottom, but think they usually go under the baggage area?





As well I'd like to rivet the little Avery Tools rudder cable fairings to the aft side skin and am wondering about placement over the long narrow oval holes? I guess I'm wondering where the cable actually exits the skin?





Thx.





Rick


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

Rick,

Mouser has those wire mounts:

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panduit/LHMS-S10-D/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuXpqUce5NjkbL3gaN3TcZpHd8Oc2kgTA4%3D

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

You can order the naca vents from Vans.  SV-1 for the vent and sc-3 for hose.     Don’t order their sv-5.  Get the eyeball vents from Steinair.

Until you put the horizontal and vertical on, you’ve got plenty of room to get a hand in to buck.

bob


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Subject: RE: wire ties, NACA vents

Hi Bob. Thx for the advise.



Looks like I'm jumping the gun a bit with the vents, so I'm glad to hear they can go in much later. Do you know where to purchase the vents? It takes lots of time to get things shipped up here in the "wilds of Canada".



I am concerned about the rudder cable fairings as I don't see how I'd get in there after the aft deck is in place, so I may take a chance and put them in before I close up back there.



With regards to the lightening hole wire ties, I got lucky this morning and found them in the Panduit Co. web site. They are part # LHMS-S10, under the "cable management accessories>wire management mounts used with cable ties>screws/rivet applied" part of the Panduit web site. I think they're pretty slick. Just gotta find out who stocks them.



I do know what I'm going to install as far as avionics, just got to decide where I want the antenna's. If anyone has a picture of the rear mounted "cat's whisker", please let me know.



Regards,



Rick

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

Rick,
Bob's advice is good. Get the naca vents from Van - I did. As far as the Avery rudder cable fairings, I fretted like you and got them on as soon as I had the cables in. Don't bother. Like Bob said, you can rivet them on just before the tail feathers go on for the last time. As a suggestion, I riveted them, but it occurred to me that using a little pro-seal or JB Weld would do a good job as well. Also, you wouldn't need to drill holes. In my paint prep, the rudder cable fairings required a little "fill" because of minor (but noticeable) bulging between rivets.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

All right then.....I can't argue with the advise of either of you John or Bob, so I will wait on the rudder cable fairings. I will have a look on Vans web site again for those NACA vents. I did look but must have missed them. Thx to both of you...

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Rick,
Bob's advice is good. Get the naca vents from Van - I did. As far as the Avery rudder cable fairings, I fretted like you and got them on as soon as I had the cables in. Don't bother. Like Bob said, you can rivet them on just before the tail feathers go on for the last time. As a suggestion, I riveted them, but it occurred to me that using a little pro-seal or JB Weld would do a good job as well. Also, you wouldn't need to drill holes. In my paint prep, the rudder cable fairings required a little "fill" because of minor (but noticeable) bulging between rivets.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: wire ties, NACA vents Reply with quote

I used proseal to put them on. Worked great and have held up well.

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