Matronics Email Lists :: View topic - RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RotaxEngines-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

dougsnash

Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Posts: 281

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:21 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

My understanding about opperation of LSAs in Canadian airspace is that you must have a private pilots license and a catagory three medical.  Then you print off the permission form just like an (Experimental)Amateur Built plane and carry that with you.



Back when LSAs first came about, the powers that be at Transport Canada said they were never going to allow pilots to fly without some kind of medical here in Canada.  The last time I heard them speak on the subject they said something more like, "We're waiting to see how well it works in the US."  



That being said, it will likely still be many years before anything happens with allowing Sport Pilot licenses to fly in Canada with a dirver's license medical.  Tranpost Canada is running pretty lean these days and they have far bigger fish to fry.



Doug MacDonald

CH-701 C-GBQX

Fort Frances, ON, Canada



Do Not Archive

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:51 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

I doubt you will ever see the day when an American aviator will be able to

fly in Canada on the strength of a driver's license.  The reason for that is

then TC would then be under pressure to allow the same thing for Canadian

pilots.  Considering that medicals for driving are the domain of the

provinces, I can't see that ever happening.



What I think should happen is that American LSA pilots should just fill out

the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50.00 registration

fee...  Then enjoy!



Canadian pilots flying south of the 49th are in a bit more of a problem

because they might have to get an American drivers license first and the

regulations governing our AULA are a bit different than LSA.  Perhaps the

FAA could inaugurate a same as DL for Canadian pilots heading south... with

an appropriate fee of course.



I would love to be able to fly my Kitfox to Osh sometime but I'm not holding

my breath.



Noel



--

_________________
Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

kenryan

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
Posts: 429

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Noel,



Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that American LSA pilots "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what you are saying or how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and would love to be able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a medical  because if I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be eligibile to fly even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.

 



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:

[quote] --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)>

 

 I doubt you will ever see the day when an American aviator will be able to

 fly in Canada on the strength of a driver's license.  The reason for that is

 then TC would then be under pressure to allow the same thing for Canadian

 pilots.  Considering that medicals for driving are the domain of the

 provinces, I can't see that ever happening.

 

 What I think should happen is that American LSA pilots should just fill out

 the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50.00 registration

 fee...  Then enjoy!

 

 Canadian pilots flying south of the 49th are in a bit more of a problem

 because they might have to get an American drivers license first and the

 regulations governing our AULA are a bit different than LSA.  Perhaps the

 FAA could inaugurate a same as DL for Canadian pilots heading south... with

 an appropriate fee of course.

 

 I would love to be able to fly my Kitfox to Osh sometime but I'm not holding

 my breath.

 

 Noel

 

 --

flyadive(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Ken:  



Flying into Canadian air space is NOT an issue.  I have done it when flying to OSH.

Even landing at a controlled airport in Canada for gas is not an issue.

No special permits required.

 It only becomes an issue if you land at a non-towered airport or you wish to stay there and leave the immediate vicinity of your plane.

Then you have to have all your paper work in order and SOME Canadian officials still want you to have a Radio Station License.

 Easiest way is to File a Flight Plan.

I was in contact with Canadian ATC and during a lull in operations asked them all these questions.  They were very helpful and not the least bit concerned.



 

Barry



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com (keninalaska(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] Noel,



Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that American LSA pilots "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what you are saying or how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and would love to be able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a medical  because if I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be eligibile to fly even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.

  



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:

 [quote] --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)>

 

 I doubt you will ever see the day when an American aviator will be able to

 fly in Canada on the strength of a driver's license.  The reason for that is

 then TC would then be under pressure to allow the same thing for Canadian

 pilots.  Considering that medicals for driving are the domain of the

 provinces, I can't see that ever happening.

 

 What I think should happen is that American LSA pilots should just fill out

 the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50.00 registration

 fee...  Then enjoy!

 

 Canadian pilots flying south of the 49th are in a bit more of a problem

 because they might have to get an American drivers license first and the

 regulations governing our AULA are a bit different than LSA.  Perhaps the

 FAA could inaugurate a same as DL for Canadian pilots heading south... with

 an appropriate fee of course.

 

 I would love to be able to fly my Kitfox to Osh sometime but I'm not holding

 my breath.

 

 Noel

 

 --

flyadive(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Ken:



I am a Private Pilot and did it as a private pilot.  They never asked what my rating was or if I had an FAA Medical.

I guess that would only come up under two situations:

 1 - You crash in their air space,

2 - You ASK.

Something I have learned over the years: It is easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

Barry



 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com (keninalaska(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] That's odd, because the Canadian officials told me that I could not fly in their airspace without a FAA medical.



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:59 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  

[quote]Ken:  

Flying into Canadian air space is NOT an issue.  I have done it when flying to OSH.

  Even landing at a controlled airport in Canada for gas is not an issue.

No special permits required.

 It only becomes an issue if you land at a non-towered airport or you wish to stay there and leave the immediate vicinity of your plane.

Then you have to have all your paper work in order and SOME Canadian officials still want you to have a Radio Station License.

   Easiest way is to File a Flight Plan.

I was in contact with Canadian ATC and during a lull in operations asked them all these questions.  They were very helpful and not the least bit concerned.



   

Barry

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com (keninalaska(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 



[quote]

  Noel,



Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that American LSA pilots "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what you are saying or how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and would love to be able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a medical  because if I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be eligibile to fly even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.

    

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:

   



[quote]

 --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)>

 

 I doubt you will ever see the day when an American aviator will be able to

 fly in Canada on the strength of a driver's license.  The reason for that is

 then TC would then be under pressure to allow the same thing for Canadian

 pilots.  Considering that medicals for driving are the domain of the

 provinces, I can't see that ever happening.

 

 What I think should happen is that American LSA pilots should just fill out

 the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50.00 registration

 fee...  Then enjoy!

 

 Canadian pilots flying south of the 49th are in a bit more of a problem

 because they might have to get an American drivers license first and the

 regulations governing our AULA are a bit different than LSA.  Perhaps the

 FAA could inaugurate a same as DL for Canadian pilots heading south... with

 an appropriate fee of course.

 

 I would love to be able to fly my Kitfox to Osh sometime but I'm not holding

 my breath.

 

 Noel

 

 --

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

It is illegal without a Aviation medical  .

  

 There was discussion with Transport Canada but  nothing has been done.  

  

 If you do have a issue then you might be flying  without insurance as well as you would be without a medical.  hence no  permit to fly in Canuk airspace. 

  

 Dave

  

  

 [quote]   ---

_________________
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
Hundreds of Kitfox Movies
Most viewed Kitfox on youtube
Most popular on youtube
Highest rated on youtube

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:48 am Post subject: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Barry,



Which Port of Entry did you use in Canada and what documentation were you asked for when you landed there?



The nearest point of entry for me would be St. Catherine's, Ontario (CYSN). 



I was subject to an FAA ramp check once in 2004 in Hays, Kansas upon arriving at night. All they wanted to see were the AROW documents of the airplane.



Thom in Buffalo

_________________
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)

Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous

flyadive(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:42 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Hello Thom:



I did not say I landed in Canada.  I did fly their airspace and did cross their lands.

Here is a reprint of my email:

 Flying into Canadian air space is NOT an issue.  I have done it when flying to OSH.

Even landing at a controlled airport in Canada for gas is not an issue.

 No special permits required.

It only becomes an issue if you land at a non-towered airport or you wish to stay there and leave the immediate vicinity of your plane.

 Then you have to have all your paper work in order and SOME Canadian officials still want you to have a Radio Station License.

 Easiest way is to File a Flight Plan.

 I was in contact with Canadian ATC and during a lull in operations asked them all these questions.  They were very helpful and not the least bit concerned.

 ========================

Thank God I never had a ramp check - But you are correct in the USA AROW is what is required. In Canada ARROW is required.  You can apply for a Radio Station license through the FCC, I think the cost is $8 or $20.  BUT!  Try to figure out the New Easy FCC web site... Bureaucratic Bull Shit!  

 I just renewed my Amateur Radio Operators License, which is a FREE renewal...  After spending a hour on the FCC site I gave up and used a renewal site that charges $8.  THAT WAS EASY!

 



Since you are planing to land and stay for a while you will also need a Customs Permit.That costs $50.  But, they will never ask for it.  

 



Hey Funny Story:

 



This did not happen to me but it is a true story and I'm making it short.

 



A Group I belong to has conventions every year.  At the convention there are different contests.  One being a BOMB DROP.  The bomb consists of a small paper bag half filled with lime, there are two bombs and two bomb runs.  The paper bag is bio-degradable and the lime will help grass grow.  Well, this fellow hit the bulls eye on his first run and never dropped #2.  He was flying back home and the course took him into Canada for fuel.  As he crossed Lake Erie (I think) he remember he had the #2 bomb aboard.  No Big Deal you say?  Just think of how it would look or how to explain to the authorities, a bag filled with two pounds of White Powder! ! ! 

 



Barry 

 PS

I like your choice of quote.  

2010 at 7:48 AM, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 

 [quote]--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)>

   

 Barry,

 

 Which Port of Entry did you use in Canada and what documentation were you asked for when you landed there?

 

 The nearest point of entry for me would be St. Catherine's, Ontario (CYSN).

 

 I was subject to an FAA ramp check once in 2004 in Hays, Kansas after upon at night. All they wanted to see were the AROW documents of the airplane.

 

 Thom in Buffalo

 

 --------

 Thom Riddle

 Buffalo, NY (9G0)

 Kolb Slingshot SS-021

 Jabiru 2200A #1574

 Tennessee Prop 64x32

 

 

 “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

 Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 



[b]

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Barry,



Sorry for the confusion on my part.



But I'm still curious about what sort of documentation TC inspects for an FAA certificated pilot entering Canada. Probably depends upon which port of entry and what the individual TC employee is interested in. 



Thom

_________________
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)

Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous

flyadive(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Thom:



I would contact the AOPA, I'm sure they have answered this question a few times.



Barry   

“Chop’d Liver”  

   

YOU ARE NOT   

WE ARE  

BECAUSE WE WERE   

YOU ARE  

   

The words to be inserted are VETERANS’ and FREE



 

BMS



 

  [quote][b]

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

My understanding of it is TC (Transport Canada) is balking at the drivers license medical...  So just get the same medical that Canadian RPP and ULPP fly with.  It’s a medical declaration with a whole bunch of check off boxes.  If you are older than 45 then a GP has to sign it off and also the same GP has to sign off an EKG.  Registration for the medical is $50 CDN every two years.

 

Noel

 

From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ryan

Sent: November 10, 2010 12:25 PM

To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada



 

Noel,

 



Can you clarify what you mean when you suggest that American LSA pilots "should just fill out the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50 registration fee." Sorry, but tI don't understand what you are saying or how it would be helpful. I'm a private pilot in Alaska and would love to be able to fly Canadian airspace. But I don't want to get a medical  because if I should happen to fail the medical, I would then not be eligibile to fly even if I am only exercising Light Sport privileges.



 



 



 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)> wrote:

--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)>



I doubt you will ever see the day when an American aviator will be able to

fly in Canada on the strength of a driver's license.  The reason for that is

then TC would then be under pressure to allow the same thing for Canadian

pilots.  Considering that medicals for driving are the domain of the

provinces, I can't see that ever happening.



What I think should happen is that American LSA pilots should just fill out

the same class 4 declaration that we do and pay their $50.00 registration

fee...  Then enjoy!



Canadian pilots flying south of the 49th are in a bit more of a problem

because they might have to get an American drivers license first and the

regulations governing our AULA are a bit different than LSA.  Perhaps the

FAA could inaugurate a same as DL for Canadian pilots heading south... with

an appropriate fee of course.



I would love to be able to fly my Kitfox to Osh sometime but I'm not holding

my breath.



Noel



--

_________________
Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:37 am Post subject: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

Of course there are the few who fly with no license, no insurance and no medical.  How the ever get away with it eludes me.

 

Noel

 

From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fisher

Sent: November 10, 2010 11:40 PM

To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: RotaxEngines-Flying LSA into Canada

 

It is illegal without a Aviation medical .



 



There was discussion with Transport Canada but nothing has been done.  



 



If you do have a issue then you might be flying without insurance as well as you would be without a medical.  hence no permit to fly in Canuk airspace. 



 



Dave



 



 

[quote]

---

_________________
Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RotaxEngines-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum