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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: I-Pad question

Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get en-route weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get the 3G model.

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Lenny Iszak

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:42 am Post subject: Re: I-Pad question

Mike,



Only the 3G version has a built-in GPS.



You will still be able to use a bluetooth GPS in either unit as long as you have it jailbroken.



Lenny

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:41 am Post subject: I-Pad question

Either way I'd get the 3G version...for

GPS and the occasional data plan since you can go month to month.

The GPS built in actually works well and it's nice to use in the car too.



On Nov 26, 2010, at 4:42 AM, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com> wrote:



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 Mike,

 

 Only the 3G version has a built-in GPS.

 

 You will still be able to use a bluetooth GPS in either unit as long as you have it jailbroken.

 

 Lenny

 

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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: I-Pad question

Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS.  The wifi model does not have a GPS.  I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great as a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI, It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough for weather or map updates.



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> wrote:



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 Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get en-route weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get the 3G model.

 

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:55 am Post subject: I-Pad question

Definitely true....if you're planning to use 3G for in-flight

Wx you'll be really disappointed in most areas.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 11/26/2010 6:41 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS.  The wifi model does not have a GPS.  I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great as a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI, It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough for weather or map updates.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike"<Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>  wrote:

> 

>

> Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get en-route weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get the 3G model.

>

> --------

> See you OSH '11

> Q/B - flying 1 yr+

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321066#321066

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: I-Pad question

No longer necessary. Bad Elf plug-in GPS and one blue tooth GPS are

Apple approved and work without jailbreaking. They cost 99 over the

cost of a wifi only iPad.  http://bad-elf.com/products/gps/

The other is GNS 5870 MFI Bluetooth GPS , also sold through Amazon and

other sources.

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Either way I'd get the 3G version...for

 GPS and the occasional data plan since you can go month to month.

 The GPS built in actually works well and it's nice to use in the car too.

 On Nov 26, 2010, at 4:42 AM, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com> wrote:

> 

>

> Mike,

>

> Only the 3G version has a built-in GPS.

>

> You will still be able to use a bluetooth GPS in either unit as long as you have it jailbroken.

>

> Lenny

>

> --------

> Lenny

> #40803

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321067#321067

>

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: I-Pad question

While the internal GPS in the iPad works well enough, it is not WAAS

and is really a low end GPS. The external GPS units available are much

closer to state of the art, with the Bad Elf stating it is WAAS and

10Hz cycle, which is better than your certified units that update at 5

Hz. The blue tooth GNS5870gps doesn't state whether it has WAAS, so

don't know about it beyond it being 32 channel.

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Michael Kraus

<n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS.  The wifi model does not have a GPS.  I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great as a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI, It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough for weather or map updates.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> wrote:

> 

>

> Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get en-route weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get the 3G model.

>

> --------

> See you OSH '11

> Q/B - flying 1 yr+

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321066#321066

>

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jdriggs49(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: I-Pad question

I have the 3G model but have found that the ATT cell system to be fairly inadequate. Also have IPhone. I would get the 3G model however as you can get the GPS signal in a lot of places so you can usethemoving map features. However, it's not very robust. I bought the Bad Elf WAAS GPS and it works great. Locks on pretty quickly. It's 1"x1"x3/8" in size. Very small.

My son-in-law gave me a Verizon MiFi blue tooth that gives me access to their system. They have better coverage it seems to me from trying it out. Works pretty good in the air in a lot of places to update while flying. I'm dropping my ATT account and going to Verizon on this one. With the Bad Elf, the IPad is finally really usable for aviation. It won't be long until we will be able reliably get in route weather at all times and all places. 

P.S. The MiFi works well as a wifi router. I was in the basement of our church and my son-in-law was able to pick up and use the wifi signal upstairs to access the Internet. He "claimed" he was looking up a Bible text. 

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		   Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:11:58 -0700

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: I-Pad question

 From: apilot2@gmail.com

 To: rv10-list@matronics.com

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>

 While the internal GPS in the iPad works well enough, it is not WAAS

 and is really a low end GPS. The external GPS units available are much

 closer to state of the art, with the Bad Elf stating it is WAAS and

 10Hz cycle, which is better than your certified units that update at 5

 Hz. The blue tooth GNS5870gps doesn't state whether it has WAAS, so

 don't know about it beyond it being 32 channel.

 On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Michael Kraus

 <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>

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 > Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS.  The wifi model does not have a GPS.  I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great as a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI, It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough for weather or map updates.

 >

 > Sent from my iPhone

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 > On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:

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