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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Wynne web page. Reply with quote

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the link. I read the section you mentioned and decided he
is probably not talking about me. There must be other detractors who
fit the profile he describes as "Only built a rudder" or some such
thing. I am on my second airplane.

I was glad to see his comment:
"For many builders, the mere fact that I've relentlessly pursued
providing them with an affordable powerplant option in a marketplace
dominated by expensive products earns their solid gratitude" This
addresses the only problem I really have with Mr. Wynne - the notion
that there is some value to his engines beyond their low cost. He
apparently doesn't make that claim, but his followers seem to think
it provides highly reliable power and has other high value
qualities. This is in direct conflict with published studies that
show uncertified engines have 2 or 3 times the failures as certified ones.

Mr. Wynne wrote to me twice in the last year to argue over my
comments on his engine and followers. In the first one, I felt he
was quite rude. The second one was more polite but did make some
personal attacks on me based on the fact that I am still working on
my wings. I don't know why he feels a need to write to people who
question his work, but he seems to think it is a good idea. I find
this even more odd since he is not a list member but responds to list
posts anyway.

My other big complaint is the fact that I have received many personal
attacks because of my questioning the value of the Corvair conversion
engine. I guess this is a case of "If you can't attack the message
then attack the messenger." Likewise, I have received many
rebuttals that cite what a great guy William Wynne is but don't
address the technical issues raised. I am sure Mr. Wynne is a very
nice guy - at least to those who are impressed with his work.

I feel the Corvair conversion engine (like other auto conversions)
has a place in experimental aircraft. They allow a builder to get
airborne at a very low price compared to certified aircraft engines
and probably at a somewhat lower cost than using purpose built
aircraft engines like the Jabiru and Rotax ones. If the builders
realize they are trading performance and reliability for price then I
have no objection at all. It is only when I hear that these engines
are superior in performance or reliability as well as lower in cost
that I feel a need to object.

I guess I better put on my steel cup to protect me from the personal
attacks this post will bring.

In any event, I appreciate your reference to the web page.

Best regards,

Paul
XL wings

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Mr Mulwitz...

Have you read William Wynne's Thursday night update at
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html ? Please read "The Fan Club"
near the bottom of the page.

Dan

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Hi Frank,

Your autopilot solution is great for someone willing to bet his life and
his passenger's life that some computer software can fly a plane better
than he can. For me, a good gyro or two sounds a lot more attractive.

Paul
XL wings
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Wynne web page. Reply with quote

Paul,
I have to agree, the studies and data do bear out a more difficult set
of numbers for the uncertified
engines, but they offer as much more in economy and performance as they
require of the builder that
installs one. The person that selects the automotive engine needs to
have a pre-defined sense of what
is required to make the engine work satisfactorily in an airplane. It's
not as much the engine as the
builder that is responsible for the statistics we see. Those that
succeed gain much more from the effort
as well. Being a non-engine guy, I fully appreciate the complexity of
the novice builders decision for
or against the certified engine. It isn't just which one anymore, but
how it's best done.

I believe there is no trade off in performance or reliability if the
Corvair or Subaru installation follows the
path taken by successful history provided by Mr Wynn and others. The
poor statistics only serve to remind
us of the people who made shortcuts, didn't appreciate the problem, or
didn't follow the obviously available
good advise from those who have done it so well.

Mr Wynn is perhaps terse at times, but he's got hold of a great engine,
made it worthy, yet has to contest each
and every other ego out there that says they're going to change
something against his advise.

This is not an attack of course, but perhaps a better perspective is
that it's not the engines, it's a people problem.

Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
Paul Mulwitz wrote:

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that there is some value to his engines beyond their low cost. He
apparently doesn't make that claim, but his followers seem to think
it provides highly reliable power and has other high value
qualities. This is in direct conflict with published studies that
show uncertified engines have 2 or 3 times the failures as certified ones.

If the builders
realize they are trading performance and reliability for price then I
have no objection at all. It is only when I hear that these engines
are superior in performance or reliability as well as lower in cost
that I feel a need to object.

I guess I better put on my steel cup to protect me from the personal
attacks this post will bring.

In any event, I appreciate your reference to the web page.

Best regards,

Paul
XL wings







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