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				 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Second test flight - N773PM. | 
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				The weather finally decided to cooperate today for my second flight.  
 Well, almost cooperate.  The scattered clouds at 2000 were more like 
 broken, so I limited my activities to straight and level flight and a 
 few simple turns.  I am starting to get the feel of the Zodiac XL, but 
 it seems to be a painfully slow process.  I would really have gained a 
 lot with a 3 or 4 hour checkout, but there was no way I could get that.
 
 I adjusted the rudder cables to deal with the need to stand on the left 
 rudder on the first flight.  That worked!  There is still room to kick 
 the rudder pedals around and get a slightly different position on the 
 nose wheel and related V-Block, but with the wings level I got the ball 
 centered without any help from the pedals.
 
 I don't seem to have the heavy left wing many people talk about.  I do 
 have aileron trim and to get the wings level I had a slight right-roll 
 setting.  I also canted the engine to the right as suggested in 
 Bingelis' book "Firewall Forward".  This is mostly done with large 
 washers in place on the rubber engine mounts.
 
 My first attempt to get the tachometer reading on my Dynon EMS-120 
 failed.  I managed to get it right in flight by changing the second 
 tachometer count field to 6.  There are two fields (left and right?) and 
 I needed to change both from 4 to 6 to get a reasonable reading on the tach.
 
 I kept a good eye on the cylinder head temperatures and reduced power 
 whenever I saw over 350 in level flight.  I didn't pay much attention to 
 it while using full power on takeoff.  Keeping the CHT green meant 
 keeping the RPM around 2700 max.  This yielded a level cruise indicated 
 speed of around 110 knots.  I hope to be able to run at higher RPM as 
 the engine gets a little more broken in.  I am also scheming various 
 ways of improving the cooling to achieve a faster cruise speed.  The 
 engine has done nothing but purr like a kitten.
 
 My meager attempt at slow flight got me around 70 KIAS at 2000 RPM  - 
 give or take.  I still don't have control of the plane down pat enough 
 to really hold a desired speed or pitch in slightly bumpy air.
 
 I tried takeoff runs with 1/2 flaps and no flaps.  In both cases I 
 extended the run until the plane really wanted to lift off with just a 
 slight amount of back pressure on the stick.  This gave me nice takeoffs 
 without the nose jumping up, but it also used up lots of runway.  I 
 would guess the longer run with no flaps was around 1200 feet.
 
 Climb (Vx) from takeoff with 1/2 flaps was much better than no flaps.  I 
 probably didn't do it at the right speed so I won't make any issue over 
 the actual numbers yet.  I also haven't tried taking off with full flaps 
 yet.  Maybe next time.
 
 In general the flight went pretty well.  However, I think I have figured 
 out one thing -- when I grow up I don't think I want to be a test pilot 
 for a living . . .
 
 Paul
 Camas, WA
 
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				 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Second test flight - N773PM. | 
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				Anyone interested in the Vx part of this thread mght want to look here: http://www.experimentalaircraft.info/flight-planning/aircraft-climb-performance.php for some further discussion. Also look here:  http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=74645&highlight=soft+field&page=2 I think if you do the calculations you would find that unless your 601 is very oddly built climb rate will be greatest with a clean wing. One thing I find is that pilots used to high wing planes will almost never pitch up to a high enough AOA to achieve Vx at first in a bubble canopy low wing aircraft because of the difference in the perceived AOA. Even when I brief  Cessna pilots what I am going to do When I establish a Vx climb takeoff in my Grumman I can see them stiffen up in the right seat until I point out that the airspeed is stable at 77 Knots because in a Vx climb you can't see anything but sky, cowling and wings plus you are quite reclined in the seat.
 
 Don't confuse ground roll distance with total distance to 50 ft.
 
 I DO NOT recommend doing high AOA takeoffs until you have gotten very comfortable with your aircraft in slow flight at altitude. Be safe out there.
 
 Deems
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   I tried takeoff runs with 1/2 flaps and no flaps.  In both cases I 
  extended the run until the plane really wanted to lift off with just a 
  slight amount of back pressure on the stick.  This gave me nice takeoffs 
  without the nose jumping up, but it also used up lots of runway.  I 
  would guess the longer run with no flaps was around 1200 feet.
  
  Climb (Vx) from takeoff with 1/2 flaps was much better than no flaps.  I 
  probably didn't do it at the right speed so I won't make any issue over 
  the actual numbers yet.  I also haven't tried taking off with full flaps 
  yet.  Maybe next time.
  
 
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				 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Second test flight - N773PM. | 
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				Hi Deems,
      
      Thanks for the comments and links.  I read the first referenced     document, and found it interesting but lacking in details.  It also     seemed to be rather biased.  I suspect the universe considered by     the author included only part 23 planes that all have somewhat     similar (poor) performance.  The comment that some manufacturers     recommend use of flaps for short field takeoffs is misleading.      Indeed some plane manufacturers recommend flaps for all takeoffs.  I     have flown several such planes including the Cessna 182 and Tecnam     Echo Super.
      
      I am convinced that all planes fly faster and with less drag then     they can go while rolling on the ground.  While it is true flaps     introduce some drag they also increase lift.  The drag impact is     exponential with speed.  Put differently, flaps always increase lift     and as speed increases they increase drag with much more impact at     higher speeds.  This suggests at least the possibility that best     performance is achieved using flaps for takeoff.  Indeed, some     planes like the C-182 can barely get in the air at all without     flaps.
      
      I didn't see any discussion of the best way to clear obstacles.
      
      I suspect the ideal takeoff method in many planes is to use a small     amount of flaps to get off the ground quickly and then to remove     those flaps when clear of obstacles.  I know the government folks     like to talk about 50 foot obstacles, but around here the trees are     A LOT taller than 50 feet.
      
      I think the key to understanding the best way to take off is to find     the balance between power, airspeed, and flaps.  In a plane like     mine (Zodiac XL with Jabiru 3300A) there is so much excess power     that climb performance should be good at low speeds with any flap     setting.
      
      Paul
      Camas, WA
      
      On 7/15/2011 7:22 PM, Deems Herring wrote:     [quote]                       Anyone interested in the Vx part of this thread mght want to         look here:         http://www.experimentalaircraft.info/flight-planning/aircraft-climb-performance.php         for some further discussion. Also look here:          http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=74645&highlight=soft+field&page=2         I think if you do the calculations you would find that unless         your 601 is very oddly built climb rate will be greatest with a         clean wing. One thing I find is that pilots used to high wing         planes will almost never pitch up to a high enough AOA to         achieve Vx at first in a bubble canopy low wing aircraft because         of the difference in the perceived AOA. Even when I brief          Cessna pilots what I am going to do When I establish a Vx climb         takeoff in my Grumman I can see them stiffen up in the right         seat until I point out that the airspeed is stable at 77 Knots         because in a Vx climb you can't see anything but sky, cowling         and wings plus you are quite reclined in the seat.
          
          Don't confuse ground roll distance with total distance to 50 ft.
          
          I DO NOT recommend doing high AOA takeoffs until you have gotten         very comfortable with your aircraft in slow flight at altitude.         Be safe out there.
          
          Deems
          
          
            > I tried takeoff runs with 1/2 flaps and no flaps. In both           cases I 
            > extended the run until the plane really wanted to lift           off with just a 
            > slight amount of back pressure on the stick. This gave me           nice takeoffs 
            > without the nose jumping up, but it also used up lots of           runway. I 
            > would guess the longer run with no flaps was around 1200           feet.
            > 
            > Climb (Vx) from takeoff with 1/2 flaps was much better           than no flaps. I 
            > probably didn't do it at the right speed so I won't make           any issue over 
            > the actual numbers yet. I also haven't tried taking off           with full flaps 
            > yet. Maybe next time.
            > 
            
          
        
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