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 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 |
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I have the same issue, I need full up trim and extra pressure to keep the speed down to 80-90 MPH during the approach. fI I try to slow it down further, my nose is so high that I loose sight on the runway.
Pete D.
[quote] Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:59:11 -0700
From: kis-list(at)matronics.com
To: kis-list-digest(at)matronics.com
Subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
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1. 02:12 PM - Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
2. 02:38 PM - 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip (Galin Hernandez)
3. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (tmclam(at)comcast.net)
4. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
5. 07:32 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (jerzy krasinski)
6. 07:46 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
7. 08:11 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
8. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Tail Mod???
All;
I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching to
land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have full
up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to trim
hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the flare. So I
am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am wondering if any
of you have done something similar.
I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to include
the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the standard
tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I added a
"drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am thinking
of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a Picasso.
 )
THANKS!
Galin
[image: Horiz Stab Mod.JPG]
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 02:38:09 PM PST US
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip
All;
Last year we (Us in our KIS Cruiser and a friend in his CTLS Light Sport
Airplane) took a Caribbean Holiday trip with our airplanes and had a BLAST!
We enjoyed the week long flying trip so much we decided right then to do it
again in 2011. So we are in the planning stages for this years trip. I want
to invite anybody that want to join us this year for an unforgetable flying
trip.
We will depart the Miami Florida area (Tamiami or Homestead) on December 9
and return on December 18th. If you join us you are NOT committed to these
dates and can travel whenever you want during this time frame. These are the
dates we (Anthony in the CTLS & I in my TR-4) will be travelling and will
escort whoever is flying those dates. Our tentrative plan is to maybe spend
a day or two in the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and maybe
even the US Virgin Islands. This way we get away from the cold weather for a
while.
It looks like there are already 5 crews/airplanes that are going to make the
trip this year and several others are very interested in joining. We have
made contact with the governments of the Bahamas, Dominican Republic and
Puerto Rico about this 2nd annual treip and they are very interested in
providing support for whoever is in the trip. They have offered to sponsor a
dinner, provide transportation and special hotel rates for us if we stay a
night or two in their country.
We will be charging a small amount for those that join to cover
some expenses but the charges will not be applied to ANY KIS (TR-1 or TR-4)
aircraft making the trip. Hey, I make the rules on this one. There will be
some charges we can't avoid (Landing fees, overflight fees, parking, fuel,
charts, etc) but nothing else.
If you are interested in maybe joining us, send me an e-mail and we can try
to make it work. Flying in the Caribbean during December, it doesn't get
much better! )
Galin
N819PR
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 04:34:46 PM PST US
From: tmclam(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Tail Mod???
Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and B
alance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 |
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Sounds like you have enough elevator control but not enough flaps to slow you down. The downward angle of the flaps can be increased to 30 degrees.
Al
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Duran <pfdwind(at)live.com (pfdwind(at)live.com)> wrote:
[quote] I have the same issue, I need full up trim and extra pressure to keep the speed down to 80-90 MPH during the approach. fI I try to slow it down further, my nose is so high that I loose sight on the runway.
Pete D.
> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:59:11 -0700
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Total Messages Posted Sat 07/30/11: 8
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1. 02:12 PM - Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
2. 02:38 PM - 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip (Galin Hernandez)
3. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (tmclam(at)comcast.net (tmclam(at)comcast.net))
> 4. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
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| Quote: | 5. 07:32 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (jerzy krasinski)
6. 07:46 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
7. 08:11 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
8. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
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________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)>
> Subject: Tail Mod???
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All;
I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching to
land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have full
> up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to trim
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| Quote: | hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the flare. So I
am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am wondering if any
> of you have done something similar.
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I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to include
the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the standard
> tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I added a
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| Quote: | "drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am thinking
of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a Picasso.
> )
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THANKS!
Galin
[image: Horiz Stab Mod.JPG]
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
> Time: 02:38:09 PM PST US
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| Quote: | From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)>
Subject: 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip
All;
>
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| Quote: | Last year we (Us in our KIS Cruiser and a friend in his CTLS Light Sport
Airplane) took a Caribbean Holiday trip with our airplanes and had a BLAST!
We enjoyed the week long flying trip so much we decided right then to do it
> again in 2011. So we are in the planning stages for this years trip. I want
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| Quote: | to invite anybody that want to join us this year for an unforgetable flying
trip.
We will depart the Miami Florida area (Tamiami or Homestead) on December 9
> and return on December 18th. If you join us you are NOT committed to these
|
| Quote: | dates and can travel whenever you want during this time frame. These are the
dates we (Anthony in the CTLS & I in my TR-4) will be travelling and will
> escort whoever is flying those dates. Our tentrative plan is to maybe spend
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| Quote: | a day or two in the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and maybe
even the US Virgin Islands. This way we get away from the cold weather for a
> while.
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It looks like there are already 5 crews/airplanes that are going to make the
trip this year and several others are very interested in joining. We have
made contact with the governments of the Bahamas, Dominican Republic and
> Puerto Rico about this 2nd annual treip and they are very interested in
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| Quote: | providing support for whoever is in the trip. They have offered to sponsor a
dinner, provide transportation and special hotel rates for us if we stay a
> night or two in their country.
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We will be charging a small amount for those that join to cover
some expenses but the charges will not be applied to ANY KIS (TR-1 or TR-4)
aircraft making the trip. Hey, I make the rules on this one. There will be
> some charges we can't avoid (Landing fees, overflight fees, parking, fuel,
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| Quote: | charts, etc) but nothing else.
If you are interested in maybe joining us, send me an e-mail and we can try
to make it work. Flying in the Caribbean during December, it doesn't get
> much better! )
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Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and B
alance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.
>
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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 |
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When measuring your full flap extension be sure to load the flaps (pull up by hand) to simulate wind loading. Due to the slop in the system I lost about 5 deg. so 30 is effectively 25. Each of our planes are probably different.
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pfdwind(at)live.com
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Good point, I only have 2 flap positions. Thanks.
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:36:32 -0400
Subject: Re: RE: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
From: fredorosa(at)gmail.com
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Sounds like you have enough elevator control but not enough flaps to slow you down. The downward angle of the flaps can be increased to 30 degrees.
Al
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Duran <pfdwind(at)live.com> wrote:
I have the same issue, I need full up trim and extra pressure to keep the speed down to 80-90 MPH during the approach. fI I try to slow it down further, my nose is so high that I loose sight on the runway.
Pete D.
| Quote: | Subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11
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in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
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Total Messages Posted Sat 07/30/11: 8
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1. 02:12 PM - Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
2. 02:38 PM - 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip (Galin Hernandez)
3. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (tmclam(at)comcast.net)
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| Quote: | 4. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
5. 07:32 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (jerzy krasinski)
6. 07:46 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Galin Hernandez)
7. 08:11 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
8. 09:14 PM - Re: Tail Mod??? (Robert Reed)
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________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
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| Quote: | Subject: Tail Mod???
All;
I find that even with the VG's, I run out of up trim as I am approaching to
land. If I want to approach at an IAS of less than 90Kts I have to have full
|
| Quote: | up trim and hold some back pressure on the stick. I want to be able to trim
hands off for at least 75KIAS and then add back pressure for the flare. So I
am thinking about making a modification to the tail and am wondering if any
|
| Quote: | of you have done something similar.
I am thinking of adding about 1 - 1 1/2" to the rear of the tail to include
the trim tab. Has anybody done or looked into doing this to the standard
|
| Quote: | tail? If so, how did you do it and what were the results? I added a
"drawing" of what I am contemplating. The gray parts are what I am thinking
of adding. No funny remarks about the "drawing" since I am not a Picasso.
|
| Quote: | )
THANKS!
Galin
[image: Horiz Stab Mod.JPG]
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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| Quote: | Time: 02:38:09 PM PST US
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: 2011 Caribbean Holiday Trip
All;
|
| Quote: |
Last year we (Us in our KIS Cruiser and a friend in his CTLS Light Sport
Airplane) took a Caribbean Holiday trip with our airplanes and had a BLAST!
We enjoyed the week long flying trip so much we decided right then to do it
|
| Quote: | again in 2011. So we are in the planning stages for this years trip. I want
to invite anybody that want to join us this year for an unforgetable flying
trip.
We will depart the Miami Florida area (Tamiami or Homestead) on December 9
|
| Quote: | and return on December 18th. If you join us you are NOT committed to these
dates and can travel whenever you want during this time frame. These are the
dates we (Anthony in the CTLS & I in my TR-4) will be travelling and will
|
| Quote: | escort whoever is flying those dates. Our tentrative plan is to maybe spend
a day or two in the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and maybe
even the US Virgin Islands. This way we get away from the cold weather for a
|
| Quote: | while.
It looks like there are already 5 crews/airplanes that are going to make the
trip this year and several others are very interested in joining. We have
made contact with the governments of the Bahamas, Dominican Republic and
|
| Quote: | Puerto Rico about this 2nd annual treip and they are very interested in
providing support for whoever is in the trip. They have offered to sponsor a
dinner, provide transportation and special hotel rates for us if we stay a
|
| Quote: | night or two in their country.
We will be charging a small amount for those that join to cover
some expenses but the charges will not be applied to ANY KIS (TR-1 or TR-4)
aircraft making the trip. Hey, I make the rules on this one. There will be
|
| Quote: | some charges we can't avoid (Landing fees, overflight fees, parking, fuel,
charts, etc) but nothing else.
If you are interested in maybe joining us, send me an e-mail and we can try
to make it work. Flying in the Caribbean during December, it doesn't get
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| Quote: | much better! )
Galin
N819PR
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 04:34:46 PM PST US
From: tmclam(at)comcast.net
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| Quote: | Subject: Re: Tail Mod???
Galin/Before you get into any surgery, accurately recheck your Weight and B
alance.If she is nose heavy some Lead aft may be a simpler solution.
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=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 |
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Is there an 'easy" way to increase the flap extension angle after the airpllane is completed?
Galin
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:52 AM, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)> wrote:
[quote] When measuring your full flap extension be sure to load the flaps (pull up by hand) to simulate wind loading. Due to the slop in the system I lost about 5 deg. so 30 is effectively 25. Each of our planes are probably different.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: KIS-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/30/11 |
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It was pretty easy on my TR-1.
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