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beauford

Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Brandon, FL

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Kolbers:

 

Looking through the archives for clues about what folks are using on their mufflers/headers for the Rotax

2-strokes, there seems to be a split between the ceramic coating camp and those who sand-blast

and repaint every couple of years.

 

Have decided I will do the latter (again), but would like to get a better paint than I was able to find for

the previous two cycles..   Both were rattle-can “hi-temp header” concoctions from auto parts stores.  Neither

lasted very long on the Rotax muffler/header.

 

Has anyone come across a decent hi-temp paint that will stay on these parts long enough to be worth putting on them?

Would prefer quart cans, but will do spray cans if necessary.

 

Thankee fer yer time.  

 

Rusty, cheap ‘ol beauford

FF-076

Brandon, FL

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

I used the Hi temp stove flat black paint. I think the key  is stove not header. I believe that it is supposed to be good to  13 to  1400 degrees. Of course one must allow windage for elderly memory of a 100 or so  degrees. I put it on my HKS muffler 135 hours ago and I do not see  any problems as yet. My EGTS are best at 1330 degrees. Its cheap enough to  do every year.

 Larry

  

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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

I agree I used the flat black barbecue paint each spring and one can lasted about 5 years



 

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KXP 503 492 hrs

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Disabled from crash building Firefly

From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>

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 Larry

  

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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

In a message dated 8/17/2011 3:04:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  beauford173(at)verizon.net writes:

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Kolbers:   

    

Looking    through the archives for clues about what folks are using on their    mufflers/headers for the Rotax   

2-strokes,    there seems to be a split between the ceramic coating camp and those who    sand-blast   

and    repaint every couple of years.   

    

Have    decided I will do the latter (again), but would like to get a better paint    than I was able to find for   

the    previous two cycles..   Both were rattle-can â€œhi-temp headerâ€    concoctions from auto parts stores.  Neither   

lasted    very long on the Rotax muffler/header.   

    

Has    anyone come across a decent hi-temp paint that will stay on these parts long    enough to be worth putting on them?   

Would    prefer quart cans, but will do spray cans if necessary.   

    

Thankee    fer yer time.     

    

Rusty,    cheap â€˜ol beauford   

FF-076   

Brandon,    FL

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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Bro. Beauford,

  

     The best I have found is VHT very high  temperature   Flame Proof Header paint 1300*----  2000*.    Just have to look through the local auto supply stores  til you find it.   

  

  

  

       Ed  Diebel     FF  62

  

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Muffler & Header paint

I use John Deere hi-temp muffler paint and it is better than some, but they are real proud of it, it's pricey.



Richard Pike

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R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Muffler & Header paint

I use Krylon Stove and BBQ flat black. Works great. Priced right.

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beauford

Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Brandon, FL

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Kolbers:

Thanks for the various inputs on the paint.

 I ended up with two rattle cans of the VHT "flameproof" ceramic coating...

as suggested by Brother Diebel.

Claim on the can is good to 2,ooo degrees...   hope I am not in the same

county with the little Nazi engine

if that limit is ever approached.



As usual, it is the little stuff that trips a man up... got everything set

up to sandblast....opened a bag... soaking

wet sand...impossible to use.  Opened another...same way.  Went to different

store and bought two different flavors of

sand... got home... both wet...  Beauford is getting a tad slow in his

dotage, but it finally dawned on him...

The bastards are selling WATER, not sand.... in 50 lb bags...$3 a pop.

Last night the garage looked like a Lawrence

of Arabia movie set...piles of sand on tarps all over the floor...

dehumidifier and three fans running.  The

neighbors used to come and chat when they saw me working on the Kolb...

have noticed that now they just

gather in small groups out on the street, whisper and point...



Next task is to figure out a way to get the Formidable Mrs. Beauford off of

the property for about four hours

after the parts are coated with the VHT...  Gotta bake 'em in the oven in

three heating-cooling stages to cure

the stuff.  Went through this once before with a chrome-ceramic paint on

this muffler...  nasty stuff...  ran the

stove on the oven cleaning cycle to get it hot enough.  Unfortunately the

FMB returned home before the process

was complete and local participation in aviation came near to permanent

termination with prejudice.  The up side was that 

the new oven racks fit pretty good and we gota good census on the roach

population in the house... doubt that

the Orkin boys could have nailed more of 'em.   Did notice that the

furniture smelled funny for a couple of weeks,

though.

russkinne(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Beauford

Any chance of putting wet sand in smalls sacks into the clothes-dryer? Should work.

Russ



On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Beauford wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Kolbers:

 Thanks for the various inputs on the paint.

 I ended up with two rattle cans of the VHT "flameproof" ceramic coating...

 as suggested by Brother Diebel.

 Claim on the can is good to 2,ooo degrees...   hope I am not in the same

 county with the little Nazi engine

 if that limit is ever approached.

 

 As usual, it is the little stuff that trips a man up... got everything set

 up to sandblast....opened a bag... soaking

 wet sand...impossible to use.  Opened another...same way.  Went to different

 store and bought two different flavors of

 sand... got home... both wet...  Beauford is getting a tad slow in his

 dotage, but it finally dawned on him...

 The bastards are selling WATER, not sand.... in 50 lb bags...$3 a pop.

 Last night the garage looked like a Lawrence

 of Arabia movie set...piles of sand on tarps all over the floor...

 dehumidifier and three fans running.  The

 neighbors used to come and chat when they saw me working on the Kolb...

 have noticed that now they just

 gather in small groups out on the street, whisper and point...

 

 Next task is to figure out a way to get the Formidable Mrs. Beauford off of

 the property for about four hours

 after the parts are coated with the VHT...  Gotta bake 'em in the oven in

 three heating-cooling stages to cure

 the stuff.  Went through this once before with a chrome-ceramic paint on

 this muffler...  nasty stuff...  ran the

 stove on the oven cleaning cycle to get it hot enough.  Unfortunately the

 FMB returned home before the process

 was complete and local participation in aviation came near to permanent

 termination with prejudice.  The up side was that 

 the new oven racks fit pretty good and we gota good census on the roach

 population in the house... doubt that

 the Orkin boys could have nailed more of 'em.   Did notice that the

 furniture smelled funny for a couple of weeks,

 though.

 .

 

 Anyway, thankee again for the suggestions on the paint...Will see how this

 stuff does...  Gotta go sandblast before

 the afternoon monsoon.

 

 Beauford

 FF-076

 Brandon, FL

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beauford

Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Brandon, FL

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Brother Kinne:



Had to send the clothes dryer to depot-level maint after the last time I did

the muffler...  It was a toss-up

whether dryer would be reusable... still runs funny... am hesitant to bring

up the subject.



Sand in garage is coming along... I go stir it up every few hours... dump

the water out of the dehumidifier.



"Hope springs eternal", etc., etc.



Hurricane Thursday would take care of that, however...



Watchful beauford

FF-076

Do Not Archive



If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it...  I

promise to do the same for you...

Thanks...






Beauford

Any chance of putting wet sand in smalls sacks into the clothes-dryer?

Should work.

Russ

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

I had the same problem.  I poured the sand onto an old aluminum tray and set it on a plastic milk crate with a drop light inside, and when dry I strained it through a piece of window screen.

 

 -Dana

 



russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> wrote:[quote] [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>BeaufordAny chance of putting wet sand in smalls sacks into the clothes-dryer? Should work.RussOn Aug 21, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Beauford wrote:> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net>> > Kolbers:> Thanks for the various inputs on the paint.> I ended up with two rattle cans of the VHT "flameproof" ceramic coating...> as suggested by Brother Diebel.> Claim on the can is good to 2,ooo degrees...   hope I am not in the same> county with the little Nazi engine> if that limit is ever approached.> > As usual, it is the little stuff that trips a man up... got everything set> up to sandblast....opened a bag... soaking> wet sand...impossible   to use.  Opened another...same way.  Went to different> store and bought two different flavors of> sand... got home... both wet...  Beauford is getting a tad slow in his> dotage, but it finally dawned on him...> The bastards are selling WATER, not sand.... in 50 lb bags...$3 a pop.> Last night the garage looked like a Lawrence> of Arabia movie set...piles of sand on tarps all over the floor...> dehumidifier and three fans running.  The> neighbors used to come and chat when they saw me working on the Kolb...> have noticed that now they just> gather in small groups out on the street, whisper and point...> > Next task is to figure out a way to get the Formidable Mrs. Beauford off of> the property for about four hours> after the parts are coated with the VHT...  Gotta bake 'em in the oven in> three heating-cooling stages to cure> the stuff.    Went through this once before with a chrome-ceramic paint on> this muffler...  nasty stuff...  ran the> stove on the oven cleaning cycle to get it hot enough.  Unfortunately the> FMB returned home before the process> was complete and local participation in aviation came near to permanent> termination with prejudice.  The up side was that > the new oven racks fit pretty good and we gota good census on the roach> population in the house... doubt that> the Orkin boys could have nailed more of 'em.   Did notice that the> furniture smelled funny for a couple of weeks,> though.> .> > Anyway, thankee again for the suggestions on the paint...Will see how this> stuff does...  Gotta go sandblast before> the afternoon monsoon.> > Beauford> FF-076> Brandon, FL> Do Not Archive> > -----Original  [quote][b]

beauford

Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Brandon, FL

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:51 am Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Dana:

 

Thankee fer the input.

 

Tried to run the sand through the blaster again yesterday… after 3 days of fan drying in the garage, sand was still too wet to feed properly

and what did feed was not sharp enough to adequately cut the old ceramic paint off the muffler anyway.  Noticed that

the soup at dinner last night had grit in it.

 

Am a slow learner, but I know when I’m whipped…

 

Went to the local welding supply this morning and got 100lbs of Black Beauty blasting abrasive.  Guy behind the counter

said it would carve your initials in a cannon ball…noticed it was grinding holes in the sacks when I loaded it in truck… 

Now I gotta be careful it doesn’t eat a hole in the Nazi muffler..

 

Yesterday noticed in the fine print on the VHT header paint rattle-can that the stuff is only to be applied when the humidity is 60% or lower…

Last day we had humidity that low here was in January… might have to drive it up to South Dakota to paint it before Christmas…

 

The beat goes on.

 

Beauford

FF-076

Brandon, FL

Do Not Archive

 

From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:09 AM

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Muffler & Header paint

 

I had the same problem. I poured the sand onto an old aluminum tray and set it on a plastic milk crate with a drop light inside, and when dry I strained it through a piece of window screen.



-Dana



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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:27 am Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Beauford- Do what I do.  Send the wife out shopping, and spread the sand out in cake pans or cookie sheets.  Oven at 350 or so for an hour.



                                       Bill Sullivan



--- On Tue, 8/23/11, Beauford <beauford173(at)verizon.net> wrote:

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From: Beauford <beauford173(at)verizon.net>

Subject: Re: Muffler & Header paint

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:49 PM

Dana:

  

Thankee fer the input.

  

Tried to run the sand through the blaster again yesterdayâ€¦ after 3 days of fan drying in the garage, sand was still too wet to feed properly

and what did feed was not sharp enough to adequately cut the old ceramic paint off the muffler  anyway.  Noticed that

the soup at dinner last night had grit in it.

  

Am a slow learner, but I know when Iâ€™m whippedâ€¦

  

Went to the local welding supply this morning and got 100lbs of Black Beauty blasting abrasive.  Guy behind the counter

said it would carve your initials in a cannon ballâ€¦noticed it  was grinding holes in the sacks when I loaded it in truckâ€¦ 

Now I gotta be careful it doesnâ€™t eat a hole in the Nazi muffler..

  

Yesterday noticed in the fine print on the VHT header paint rattle-can that the stuff is only to be applied when the humidity is 60% or lowerâ€¦

Last day we had humidity that low here was in Januaryâ€¦ might have to drive it up to South Dakota to paint it before Christmasâ€¦

  

The beat goes on.

  

Beauford

FF-076

Brandon, FL

Do Not Archive

  

From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:09 AM

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Muffler & Header paint

  

I had the same problem. I poured the sand onto an old aluminum tray and set it on a plastic milk crate with a drop light inside, and when dry I strained it through a piece of window screen.



-Dana



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henry.voris

Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Posts: 116
Location: Pueo Field, Kula, Maui

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Muffler & Header paint

23aug11



Br'er Beuford,



I was having problems with humidity when I used the VHT on the straight pipes of the beloved iron and black motorcycle...



Got good results by... cleaning the pipes good... wipe with acetone... dangled them in the Hawaiian sun until hot to the touch... shot the VHT while the pipes were hot. Cured by running copious amounts of hot exhaust gas through 'em.



I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why not to do it this way... but it looked good for about two years of running every day, when I did it again.



Good luck.

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beauford

Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Brandon, FL

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Thankee, Brother Voris



One way or another, the evil deed is done..  the stuff is sandblasted, wiped

with acetone and shot with the HVT..



Will bake it when I can figure out a way to have survivable access to the

stove....



beauford

FF-076

Brandon, FL

Do not archive



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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: Muffler & Header paint

Thankee, Brother Voris



One way or another, the evil deed is done..  the stuff is sandblasted, wiped

with acetone and shot with the HVT..



Will bake it when I can figure out a way to have survivable access to the

stove....



beauford

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make sure you use the old oven racks,,  or you will have to buy the FMB  a 
	


second new set

still having a good laugh over that one.



boyd young

mkiii utah



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