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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

Hi,

I am of two minds whether to screw or bond on my door mech coverplates. Finally, I am satisfied I have done a good job in there, so am wondering whether returning the original strength might have some merit. I realize to redux them in place creates quite a problem if I need to get in there, but in reality what is the chances. Any advice much appreciated.

Reg

Tony Renshaw

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jimpuglise(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

Tony-



You need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not break."



Jim Puglise

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From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 10:06:16 PM

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Hi,

I am of two minds whether to screw or bond on my door mech coverplates. Finally, I am satisfied I have done a good job in there, so am wondering whether returning the original strength might have some merit. I realize to redux them in place creates quite a problem if I need to get in there, but in reality what is the chances. Any advice much appreciat                     &nbs========================





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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

The manual says bond the cover plate on to retain strength and integrity of the door?

Alan



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On 14 Sep 2011, at 14:37, jimpuglise(at)comcast.net (jimpuglise(at)comcast.net) wrote:



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You need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not break."



Jim Puglise

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Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 10:06:16 PM

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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

AH HAHAHA!!! LOL.  So true!!!  Murphy is a very  strong force. This is for Jims statement    ......and this is for  Murphy 

  

 I am still wrestling  with this decision as well, and keep trying to think of a way to restore more  strength so as not to have to bond...such as large overlaps, and a  sliding fit with overlapping glass used as bonds on the sides, but unattatched  (or something like that). 

No conclusions  yet...sorry. Just felt like piping in with interest in the subject, even with  the lack of gameplan and to hack on ol' Murph 

  

 Greg  Fuchs

  

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 Tony-



You  need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it  will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw  them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary  to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not  break."



Jim Puglise

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  From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

Hi,

I am of  two minds whether to screw or bond on my door mech coverplates. Finally, I am  satisfied I have done a good job in there, so am wondering whether returning the  original strength might have some merit. I realize to redux them in place  creates quite a problem if I need to get in there, but in reality what is the  chances. Any advice much appreciat                       &nbs========================





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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

Tony,



I cogitated on this for quite a while before going ahead and following the build manual and bonding the covers in place.  Probably because they were bonded (thanks to Murphy), it became necessary to gain access to the innards several years later.  The brief application of heat from a heat-gun allowed the covers to be popped off quite easily.  Not as easy as a couple screws into nut-plates, but still easy.



I fully intend to bond them on again.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

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On Sep 9, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Tony Renshaw wrote:



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 Hi,

 I am of two minds whether to screw or bond on my door mech coverplates. Finally, I am satisfied I have done a good job in there, so am wondering whether returning the original strength might have some merit. I realize to redux them in place creates quite a problem if I need to get in there, but in reality what is the chances. Any advice much appreciated.

 Reg

 Tony Renshaw

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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

Think I'll go with the nutplate idea. Thanks for the input.



Tony Renshaw



On 15/09/2011, at 3:03 AM, Greg Fuchs wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   AH HAHAHA!!! LOL.  So true!!!  Murphy is a very strong force. This is for

 Jims statement    ......and this is for Murphy 

 

 I am still wrestling with this decision as well, and keep trying to think of

 a way to restore more strength so as not to have to bond...such as large

 overlaps, and a sliding fit with overlapping glass used as bonds on the

 sides, but unattatched (or something like that). 

 No conclusions yet...sorry. Just felt like piping in with interest in the

 subject, even with the lack of gameplan and to hack on ol' Murph 

 

 Greg Fuchs

 

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 From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of

 jimpuglise(at)comcast.net

 

 Tony-

 

 You need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it

 will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw

 them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary

 to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not break."

 

 Jim Puglise

 A238 

 

 

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 From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

 Hi,

 I am of two minds whether to screw or bond on my door mech coverplates.

 Finally, I am satisfied I have done a good job in there, so am wondering

 whether returning the original strength might have some merit. I realize to

 redux them in place creates quite a problem if I need to get in there, but

 in reality what is the chances. Any advice much appreciat

 &nbs========================

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

I love "Jim's Corollary"...and am glad to know from Bob that the bonding in of the covers is reversible.



For myself, I'm content w/ having installed the nutplates, irrespective of what the manual directs. The manual is silent on strength and stiffness issues related to the door sill...and I was not happy w/ their flexibility. To stiffen up the sills, I followed John Lawton's lead by laying up a 3 layer BID quarter round beneath them which forms part of the raceways (port for electric power, stbd for pneumatics and antennas). Sills are now stiff as...well, let's just say very stiff.

Fred



On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:37 AM, jimpuglise(at)comcast.net (jimpuglise(at)comcast.net) wrote:

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		  You need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not break."



Jim Puglise

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

I love "Jim's Corollary"...and am glad to know from Bob that the bonding in of the covers is reversible.



For myself, I'm content w/ having installed the nutplates, irrespective of what the manual directs. The manual is silent on strength and stiffness issues related to the door sill...and I was not happy w/ their flexibility. To stiffen up the sills, I followed John Lawton's lead by laying up a 3 layer BID quarter round beneath them which forms part of the raceways (port for electric power, stbd for pneumatics and antennas). Sills are now stiff as...well, let's just say very stiff.

Fred



On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:37 AM, jimpuglise(at)comcast.net (jimpuglise(at)comcast.net) wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  You need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not break."



Jim Puglise

--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>



I am of two minds whether to screw or bond on my door mech coverplates. 	




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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: Door Mech Coverplates

Fred

this is the best way to go. People often sit on the edge and that deflects it and cracks the paint/filler.

btw Kingsley Hurst I believe owns Mal Mclure's classic, Mal devised a very neat and simple  latch that stops the doors bending open in flight from cockpit pressurisation. (fresh air venting)

Could we persuade you to photograph it Kingsley? The pictures I took years ago are useless.

Graham

From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>

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Sent: Thursday, 15 September, 2011 4:48:08

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I love "Jim's Corollary"...and am glad to know from Bob that the bonding in of the covers is reversible.



For myself, I'm content w/ having installed the nutplates, irrespective of what the manual directs. The manual is silent on strength and stiffness issues related to the door sill...and I was not happy w/ their flexibility. To stiffen up the sills, I followed John Lawton's lead by laying up a 3 layer BID quarter round beneath them which forms part of the raceways (port for electric power, stbd for pneumatics and antennas). Sills are now stiff as...well, let's just say very stiff.

Fred



On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:37 AM, jimpuglise(at)comcast.net (jimpuglise(at)comcast.net) wrote:

[quote]You need to keep our friend Murphy in mind.  "If it can't possibly break, it will."  On the other hand, if you put in a couple of nut plates and screw them on, you will never need to remove them.  This is the second corollary to Murphy's Law.  "Any part that is easily accessible will not break."



Jim  Puglise

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