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barryhancock

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Posts: 285

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Some have commented, and I suppose many have thought, "why is a discussion about issues concerning the RPA on the Yak-list?"



When I made the decision to write my "open letter," I wanted it-to be just that. Not just a letter to members (there was no forum for that, anyway), but to prospective members, past members, and non-members alike to address issues that ultimately effect every Red Star owner/operator at some level, and do it in the most conspicuous place possible. The Yak-List, for better or worse, is that place for our community. 



My intention was/is to raise awareness and hopefully generate discussion and  action on issues that are, or potentially can be, affecting ownership and operation in our community. 



I believe that this is an appropriate forum for these discussions and is well within the usage guidelines.  



Regards,



Barry

Last edited by barryhancock on Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Barry, you don't need to mince words. 



I asked you to please take this discussion off the YAK-List.  As a

member of the YAK-List for over a decade, and as a financial contributor

to it as well, I do not think the discussion of a funded and chartered

organizations internal problems and solutions belong on the YAK-List. 



Every single time I have been asked to stop a discussion of something

*I* happened to think was relevant, I have agreed to do so, and as you

well know, I have been asked to do so more than once.  Now the shoe is

on the other foot, and I am asking you to please stop.  You have used

the YAK-List to accomplish the goal of notifying many members of the RPA

with the problems and issues as you see them.  So done is done, you have

accomplished your goal and good ... I am glad that is the case, and you

will please notice I did not complain about those postings. 



Now the discussion is moving into a history lesson of Red Star, who did

what to who and when, and how much fun you had, or did not have in the

past, and how you can correct that to have a good organization in the

future.  You have gone from "notification" to "history" to "problems

with the rules and by-laws" and ..... enough already.  



Just because a person owns a YAK or a CJ, does not mean they should rush

right out and become a member of Red Star, or should be treated to what

we have been reading here of late.  



I am sure that some Red Star members like being able to use the YAK-List

as their own property.  I have also seen where other Red Star members

agree that this discussion should go elsewhere. 



Please listen to the desires of other members of the YAK List and

regardless of what you happen to personally think of the issue, take it

elsewhere out of respect for the feelings of other YAK-List members.

That is what I do, and have done when faced with the same dilemma, and I

submit to you Sir, that it would be the right thing for you to do as

well. 



Thank you. 



Mark Bitterlich

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brian(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

But how do you really feel about this Mark?

-- 

Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL

3191 Western Dr.

Cameron Park, CA 95682

brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)

 +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)

+1.916.877.5067 (USA)



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Oh, I simply believe that others should do the exact same thing that I

have been asked to do in the past.    



Meaning, I am no different than Barry.  I have no moral "high ground".

I have gotten into some discussions in the past that had no business on

the Yak-List.  



In fact, more than a few.     



But when I was asked to stop, I stopped.  Even though personally I

wanted very strongly to continue.  



That's how I REALLY feel about it Brian, and you just can't imagine how

much I wanted to restart the "discussion" about Flight Suits and the RPA

when you mentioned it... but I did not.  But darn... I REALLY wanted to!

 



Mark



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brian(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  That's how I REALLY feel about it Brian, and you just can't imagine how

 much I wanted to restart the "discussion" about Flight Suits and the RPA

 when you mentioned it... but I did not. �But darn... I REALLY wanted to!

 	




Oh, I am sure that, if we put our minds to it, we can come up with a new and burning question for discussion. �



-- 

Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL

3191 Western Dr.

 Cameron Park, CA 95682

brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)

+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)

+1.916.877.5067 (USA)



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

On Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:13 PM Brian Lloyd said: 



"Oh, I am sure that, if we put our minds to it, we can come up with a

new and burning question for discussion.  "



And that is exactly why I am asking to please let's not go there.  Let's

PLEASE not stir this pot.  PLEASE!  I've looked inside Pandora's Box and

I know what is inside, and it's getting ready to come out.   Just trying

to warn the general public.  But this has already apparently cost me a

very good friendship, so WTF, OVER. 



Mark

cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

HeHeHe He  I get it!!  You're about MMO!!!!!

 Pappy

  

  In a message dated 1/4/2012 7:42:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  [img]res://C:\Program Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\web_ie.dll/QMARK.GIF[/img][img]res://C:\Program Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\web_ie.dll/ARROW.GIF[/img]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14    64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



On Wednesday, January 04, 2012    7:13 PM Brian Lloyd said: 



"Oh, I am sure that, if we put our minds to    it, we can come up with a

new and burning question for discussion.     "



And that is exactly why I am asking to please let's not go    there.  Let's

PLEASE not stir this pot.  PLEASE!  I've    looked inside Pandora's Box and

I know what is inside, and it's getting    ready to come out.   Just trying

to warn the general    public.  But this has already apparently cost me a

very good    friendship, so WTF, OVER.  sp;    ies  ay                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS               - List Contribution Web Site  p;                          �  



	


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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Will MMO uncork the BOD?

Doc



Sent from my iPad



On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:57 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:



[quote]  HeHeHe He  I get it!!  You're about MMO!!!!!

 Pappy

  

  In a message dated 1/4/2012 7:42:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil) writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  [img]res://C:\Program Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\web_ie.dll/QMARK.GIF[/img][img]res://C:\Program Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\web_ie.dll/ARROW.GIF[/img]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14    64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>



On Wednesday, January 04, 2012    7:13 PM Brian Lloyd said: 



"Oh, I am sure that, if we put our minds to    it, we can come up with a

new and burning question for discussion.     "



And that is exactly why I am asking to please let's not go    there.  Let's

PLEASE not stir this pot.  PLEASE!  I've    looked inside Pandora's Box and

I know what is inside, and it's getting    ready to come out.   Just trying

to warn the general    public.  But this has already apparently cost me a

very good    friendship, so WTF, OVER.  sp;    ies  ay                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS               - List Contribution Web Site  p;                             



	


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jackpot

Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Posts: 65
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

If they drink it !!!!    Gary G. 



Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 4, 2012, at 18:15, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:



[quote]Will MMO uncork the BOD?

Doc



Sent from my iPad



On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:57 PM, [url=mailto:cjpilot710(at)aol.com]cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)[/url] wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    HeHeHe He  I get it!!  You're about MMO!!!!!

 Pappy

  

  In a message dated 1/4/2012 7:42:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  [url=mailto:mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)[/url] writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  [img]res://C:\Program Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\web_ie.dll/QMARK.GIF[/img][img]res://C:\Program Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\web_ie.dll/ARROW.GIF[/img]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14    64E" <[url=mailto:mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)[/url]>



On Wednesday, January 04, 2012    7:13 PM Brian Lloyd said: 



"Oh, I am sure that, if we put our minds to    it, we can come up with a

new and burning question for discussion.     "



And that is exactly why I am asking to please let's not go    there.  Let's

PLEASE not stir this pot.  PLEASE!  I've    looked inside Pandora's Box and

I know what is inside, and it's getting    ready to come out.   Just trying

to warn the general    public.  But this has already apparently cost me a

very good    friendship, so WTF, OVER.  sp;    ies  ay                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS               - List Contribution Web Site  p;                             



	


  	  Quote: 	
		  

	




	


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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Oh my gosh.  Good one Pappy. 

 

________________________________



From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of cjpilot710(at)aol.com

Sent: Wed 1/4/2012 7:57 PM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

HeHeHe He  I get it!!  You're about MMO!!!!!

Pappy

 

In a message dated 1/4/2012 7:42:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:



	

	

	On Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:13 PM Brian Lloyd said: 

	

	"Oh, I am sure that, if we put our minds to it, we can come up with a

	new and burning question for discussion.  "

	

	And that is exactly why I am asking to please let's not go there.  Let's

	PLEASE not stir this pot.  PLEASE!  I've looked inside Pandora's Box and

	I know what is inside, and it's getting ready to come out.   Just trying

	to warn the general public.  But this has already apparently cost me a

	very good friendship, so WTF, OVER. sp; ies ay              - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS            - List Contribution Web Site p;

brian(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:13 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:57 PM,  <cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		        HeHeHe He� I get it!!� You're about MMO!!!!!



	




No, I am working on something WAAAAY better than MMO, multi-vis oil, AND flight suits all rolled into one! Just wait ...

 



(hee hee hee)



-- 

Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL

3191 Western Dr.

Cameron Park, CA 95682

brian(at)lloyd.com (brian(at)lloyd.com)

+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)

 +1.916.877.5067 (USA)



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barryhancock

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Posts: 285

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: Re: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Mark,



I have emailed you off list without response.  Someone emailed me off list and had this to say about your post....



 	  Quote: 	
		  I found it funny that the guy who comes in second in all time lengthy, nearly never ending condemnations of the RPA via the yak list, Mark, is the one now most influential in shutting down free speech for concerned members and former members on the list. 	




They're right in one part, but you are not shutting down my speech.  It is a valid conversation and well within list guidelines.  Consider over 200 listers have viewed my post and you are the only one to direct a complaint at me.  If you have a problem with it, I'm sorry. Submit your complaint to Matt. I will not be responding further to your attempts to minimize a valid and appropriate discussion.



Barry

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: RPA discussions on the Yak-list

Barry, I do not respond to people that take off-line private messages and make them public.    Private messages are private.  People who take them public .... well, just not the kind of thing I do.  

 

By the way, the person who made those comments was Drew.  He called and we talked today about this for about an hour.  He understands now and we parted understanding each other.  A really professional guy.  

 

My posting was a request and suggestion by one person.  Me.  You describe it as a complaint.  I did not use that word.   I have done the exact same thing you have done and have been called down for it.  I admit that.  I was wrong to do it then, and I admit that too.  How many times would you like me to admit that I made a mistake, and then say I will try not to do it again, and in fact now  try to listen to the requests of others on the YAK-List.  You on the other hand, want to argue about it.  You indeed do remind me of myself 10 years ago.  

 

Sorry you don't like my point of view on this, but it has been gained from the suggestions of many other YAK list members who have said the same thing to me that I (and others) are now trying to say to you.  

 

I have told Drew that I am not going to bash the RPA, or list all the reasons why I am not a fan of the organization, and I intend to keep that promise.  

 

However, if you want to turn this into some kind of personal vendetta, that is 100% up to you.  I am not looking for that, but I don't run from a bully either.  

 

Mark Bitterlich

 

 

 



________________________________



From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of barryhancock

Sent: Thu 1/5/2012 10:38 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: RPA discussions on the Yak-list






Mark,



I have emailed you off list without response.  Someone emailed me off list and had this to say about your post....

 	  Quote: 	
		   I found it funny that the guy who comes in second in all time lengthy, nearly never ending condemnations of the RPA via the yak list, Mark, is the one now most influential in shutting down free speech for concerned members and former members on the list.


	




They're right in one part, but you are not shutting down my speech.  It is a valid conversation and well within list guidelines.  Consider over 200 listers have viewed my post and you are the only one to direct a complaint at me.  If you have a problem with it, I'm sorry. Submit your complaint to Matt. I will not be responding further to your attempts to minimize a valid and appropriate discussion.



Barry





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