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		williamtsullivan(at)att.n Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:22 am    Post subject: Small engines | 
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				  Now that Rotax is doing away with their smaller 2-stroke engines, what is the Kolb factory looking at for a suggested stock engine on the Firefly?  
 
                                              Bill Sullivan
                                              Windsor Locks, Ct
 
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		herbgh(at)nctc.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Small engines | 
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				Strikes me that Mr. Hart up in Indianny...has already done the 
 research for them...?     Those engines or a half Vw...at 84 lbs...Herb
 At 11:21 AM 3/8/2012, you wrote:
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  the Firefly?
 
                                               Bill Sullivan
                                               Windsor Locks, Ct.
                                               FS 447
 
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		capedavis(at)yahoo.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:45 am    Post subject: Small engines | 
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				They . the Kolb factory that is just set up Phils Firefly with a mz 201 but he is the Guinea pig for this one I dont know what they will recommend.Chris
 
  
 Chris Davis
 KXP 503 492 hrs
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 Disabled from crash building Firefly
 
       
   From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
  To: kolb list <kolb-list(at)matronics.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 12:21 PM
  Subject: Small engines
   
     Now that Rotax is doing away with their smaller 2-stroke engines, what is the Kolb factory looking at for a suggested stock engine on the Firefly?  
 
                                              Bill Sullivan
                                              Windsor Locks,  Ct.
                                              FS 447
  
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		phactor9
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:46 am    Post subject: Small engines | 
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				I am a couple of months (maybe sooner) away from firing up my CRE mz201 for my new Firefly, which I've been building all winter. Here's a page I posted a month or two back:
 http://phactor.com/Kolb/201/201.htm
 
 By last calculations, the total dry engine weight is approaching 82lbs, but that's including things I don't have on that page, and not including a battery.
 http://phactor.com/eng_a.jpg
 
 Phil H
 FF11-4-00076
 --- On Thu, 3/8/12, william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> wrote:
 From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
 Subject: Small engines
 To: "kolb list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
 Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 12:21 PM
   Now that Rotax is doing away with their smaller 2-stroke engines, what is the Kolb factory looking at for a suggested stock engine on the Firefly?  
 
                                              Bill Sullivan
                                              Windsor Locks, Ct
 
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		Mike Welch
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Small engines | 
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				Herb,
 
   Half VW engine??  Cutting a VW engine in half, and leaving two of the cylinders back in your shop, would be like
 planting corn on the last 500 feet of your 800 foot runway.   Don't meck no sentz a'toll.             Just sayin'......
 hahaha
  
 Mike Welch
 
 On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com (herbgh(at)nctc.com)>
 
 Strikes me that Mr. Hart up in Indianny...has already done the research for them...?     Those engines or a half Vw...at 84 lbs...Herb
 At 11:21 AM 3/8/2012, you wrote:
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                                              Bill Sullivan
                                              Windsor Locks, Ct.
                                              FS 447
 
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		herbgh(at)nctc.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:59 am    Post subject: Small engines | 
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				Some time ago...maybe next to the last Homecoming, a fellow from Tenn. brought his Firestar with a loaner half vw ..  Homer looked it over and remarked that it sure does vibrate a lot!!   His "loaner buddy" down  near Knoxville.Tenn. flies a 45 hp super stroker on his Fly..all praise...Haven't talked to him in a year , so I do not know currrent status..
 
      I have two Global, half vw's and one is on an N3 Pup...Idles well at 6 to 700 rpm...but  vibrates a lot at 2850 to 2900 cruise... The crank and other rotating and reciprocating parts can be balanced to yield a decent 35 to 45 hp engine.. My case is purpose cast and has proper front and rear seals...engine runs on a single mag though some have installed dual ign.  using gm hei modules and an electric system or waste energy.. I surely got comfortable flying behind it...mixture control and less than 2 gph...at abt 63 mph...
 
    Never had a problem with a 447 on the Firefly either... Herb 
 
     
 
  
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  [quote]Herb,
 
    Half VW engine??  Cutting a VW engine in half, and leaving two of the cylinders back in your shop, would be like
  planting corn on the last 500 feet of your 800 foot runway.   Don't meck no sentz a'toll.             Just sayin'......
 
  hahaha
   
  Mike Welch
 
  
 
  On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
 
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  Strikes me that Mr. Hart up in Indianny...has already done the research for them...?     Those engines or a half Vw...at 84 lbs...Herb
 
  
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   	  | Quote: | 	 		   Now that Rotax is doing away with their smaller 2-stroke engines, what is the Kolb factory looking at for a suggested stock engine on the Firefly?
 
                                              Bill Sullivan
                                              Windsor Locks, Ct.
                                              FS 447
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		Dennis Thate
 
  
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Small engines | 
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				Shucks ! I should not have given my "love Bug" engine away ...
 
  KdF Wagen. KdF stood for "Kraft durch Freude" which meant "Strength through Joy." [Minus the vibration and extra weight.]
 
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