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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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I've just physically installed my Navworx ADS-B box and now need to
configure it.
Neither of my laptops have the required Com port. Short of transporting
an old tower system down to the hangar, has anyone used a USB - Com port
adaptor? Price?
I've started researching it but if anyone has some experience to
share... please do.
Bill Watson
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:29 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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Yes, they work fine most of the time.
I've used Belkin ones with luck, and some cheap
Chinese ones I bought on Ebay I think with
"prolific" chipsets that worked too. If you're
in a hurry I'd buy one locally and pay maybe $20-30
and get a good one. If you just want spares and
want to have something sitting around, you can get
them for maybe $2-3 on Ebay I think.
Tim
On 3/20/2012 10:12 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
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I've just physically installed my Navworx ADS-B box and now need to
configure it.
Neither of my laptops have the required Com port. Short of transporting
an old tower system down to the hangar, has anyone used a USB - Com port
adaptor? Price?
I've started researching it but if anyone has some experience to
share... please do.
Bill Watson
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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An app would just require even more software to run on the
device, and that could lead to more issues with FAA
certification, and more delays in getting the config
interface working when they tweak software.
While serial configuration is old technology, on a
screenless box like that, it's actually perfect for
keeping low overhead. It just isn't as nice that laptops
dropped support for Serial ports. I configure
things all day long at work using serial ports to get
them running on the network. I actually far prefer
command-line text configuration to all the stupid
web interfaces out there these days.
Tim
On 3/20/2012 10:27 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | Similar problem here--I have to borrow back an old laptop from my
daughter to do the updates--it's the only windows laptop in the house.
I use a USB adapter from Staples. There's no P/N on it, and it actually
has the Staples logo engraved in the plastic shell. It works fine.
Sure would be nice to have an app for that...
--Dave Saylor
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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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Navwox remotely connected to my computer and performed the set up. I had similar issues and don't remember how he got around the port stuff.
He also said that he will be forwarding a beta program that will play well with the box. That was a few months ago. My calls for the software have not resulted in anything so I have given up until I am face to face at sun/ fun.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 20, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
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I've just physically installed my Navworx ADS-B box and now need to configure it.
Neither of my laptops have the required Com port. Short of transporting an old tower system down to the hangar, has anyone used a USB - Com port adaptor? Price?
I've started researching it but if anyone has some experience to share... please do.
Bill Watson
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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Remembering back to something you and I talked about before
Dave, you're right on one thing...what would be nice is to
find a wi-fi/bluetooth type box you could plug in to the
serial port and configure wirelessly from an iPad. That
would be cool.
I use an iPad a lot to configure network devices using
telnet and ssh, so it would be easy to do if the box could
handle telnet. I know they are out there, too....I just
don't have one. Then you could use an app like "iSSH" on
the ipad to configure the navworx.
FWIW, at work I ordered a bunch of ethernet to
serial devices so we could remotely configure network
devices at other sites. Something like that would work,
but you wouldn't want to spend the money we spent on them.
Tim
On 3/20/2012 10:27 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | Similar problem here--I have to borrow back an old laptop from my
daughter to do the updates--it's the only windows laptop in the house.
I use a USB adapter from Staples. There's no P/N on it, and it actually
has the Staples logo engraved in the plastic shell. It works fine.
Sure would be nice to have an app for that...
--Dave Saylor
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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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Bill said there is a "UAT Console" program that now includes the current level of software or will include the current level. Sounds like the intent is to supply new releases integrated with a console program so you kind of get the latest of both anytime you update.
The release he sent me on Mar 12 was 3.10.1.
I went out an bought a cable at RadioShack for $40.... not sure I want to open it yet for that price. Amazon has a number of selections under $20 and I can wait a few days. We'll see.
Bill
On 3/20/2012 12:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: [quote]Rob,
Bill sent me a link to 3.10.0 on Feb 27. I'm not sure if just forwarding the link will work, but here it is:
https://rcpt.yousendit.com/1392889324/ba70bb6639d6336cf1592704f80a3bb6
He didn't say anything about it being beta. It resolved an altitude display issue we were having. So far, so good.
--Dave Saylor
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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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For a cable, you can also find someone with an "old" Dynon system, since those are serial-only, too.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Bill said there is a "UAT Console" program that now includes the current level of software or will include the current level. Sounds like the intent is to supply new releases integrated with a console program so you kind of get the latest of both anytime you update.
The release he sent me on Mar 12 was 3.10.1.
I went out an bought a cable at RadioShack for $40.... not sure I want to open it yet for that price. Amazon has a number of selections under $20 and I can wait a few days. We'll see.
Bill
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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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Thanks Dave. I had a pressure altitude issue also when he offered the beta software. I will try the link.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 20, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Rob,
Bill sent me a link to 3.10.0 on Feb 27. I'm not sure if just forwarding the link will work, but here it is:
https://rcpt.yousendit.com/1392889324/ba70bb6639d6336cf1592704f80a3bb6
He didn't say anything about it being beta. It resolved an altitude display issue we were having. So far, so good.
--Dave Saylor
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Navwox remotely connected to my computer and performed the set up. I had similar issues and don't remember how he got around the port stuff.
He also said that he will be forwarding a beta program that will play well with the box. That was a few months ago. My calls for the software have not resulted in anything so I have given up until I am face to face at sun/ fun
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kevino
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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I had the UAT console shipped with the navworx in Jan. Install was very straight forward. Just loaded on a netbook.
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Lenny Iszak
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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I have this cheap chinese USB to serial adapter from ebay:
USB to RS232 Serial DB9 COM Cable Adapter HL340 Z
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS232-Serial-DB9-COM-Cable-Adapter-HL340-Z-/160506203551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255eea4d9f#ht_3251wt_1396
It says HL-340 on it. It works fine with the NavWorx box, or any other rs232 device. Windows 7 also installs drivers for it automatically, no driver CD needed.
I also have an IoGear GBS301 rs232 to bluetooth adapter. I never tried it with the NavWorx box, but i don't see why it wouldn't work as it works with most serial devices i have tried. Used a windows laptop though, not an iPad.
It's probably easier to just plug in a $5 cable...
Lenny
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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: Navworx maintenance terminal - USB - Com Port adapters? |
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An update; I just finished the install in my RV-10 and it seems to work fine. The configuration includes display on 3 GRT HX displays, a GTX327, and a G430W. I have a few pictures and random notes here:
http://www.mykitlog.com/mauledriver
The various wiring options can be challenging to decipher. I circumvented that by asking FastStack to provide a wiring harness to add to my FastStack wiring hub. They wired every option that was possible between the GRT HXs, the GTX 327, the G430W, and the NavWorx box. I just had to determine what options I actually had (e.g. no ARINC on the Navworx) and configure accordingly.
I got both Nexrad images and traffic going on one display. Need to make some GRT config changes to get them across all 3 displays.
The way I understand things is that the ADS-B box supplies 2 separate functions - weather and the 'traffic stuff'. The box takes 2 power leads and 2 ground leads which I think reflects the separation.  It also requires 2 antenna - a GPS antenna and a UAT (transponder type) antenna. I installed both just to keep things simple rather than trying to share a GPS antenna or signal.
- The weather is on all the time. According to Bill Moffitt there are 12 weather functions but access to them is dependent on the equipment you are displaying on. GRT supports 3 of them - Nexrad, Metars, and TAFs at this time. Someone on the GRT group pointed out that if you turn off the Nexrad, airports are colored coded into VFR, MFR and IFR... I'll call that a 4th function.
- The traffic stuff is 'controlled' in a sense by the GTX327 which acts as a control panel. When in standby or off - no traffic in or out. No real operation or control required but good to understand that. The 'suppression' function is operational so there should be no need to coordinate squawk codes. The Navworx box sees what the 327 is squawking and doesn't produce or display duplicate info.
- The G430W is wired in but is not functional in my installation. No desire to display traffic there.
People have reported some difficulties with the install and I can see how it has had to evolve but I can report that it seems to be in a pretty good place right now. The need to use a PC as a configuration console was one of the obstacles but NavWorx seems to have upgraded the terminal software and integrated it with the process for delivering software updates. Once I figured out how to recycle some junk to get a com port for my laptop, no problems. The only time the console is required is for future software updates. Bill Moffitt at NavWorx is a good guy to work with and seems more than willing to provide the needed assistance.
I've never had traffic before so being able to see nearby traffic on my first test flight was a revelation. The Nexrad imagery seemed a bit more 'pixelated' than the XM but looks fine. Still testing but I was just thinking that a run down to Sun & Fun might be called for....
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