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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968 that they require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do not know how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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Ask them to ship it to you as a used part.
BUT! I can't believe that no one here in the USA makes a voltage regulator!
There are ONLY three connections - Ground - Field & Output. Any regulator can handle that!
Barry
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)> wrote:
[quote] Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968 that they require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do not know how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: [url=tel:817-992-1117]817-992-1117[/url]
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
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jay(at)horriblehyde.com
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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Hah, the world is full of such idiosyncrasies. Try getting something out of Zeftronics in the US. Took me around 6 months to get a generator regulator from them; it arrived last week and I am too terrified to look at the details of it in case I ordered the wrong one- my client will castrate me. And there I thought that Germany was a service desert...
How about trying what the rest of the world does when trying to buy something from Itunes? Lie. You can only buy stuff from Itunes if you are in the US, so the rest of us create fictitious email addresses that seem to originate in the US and get on with buying what we desire. Of course, being from third world countries that very few people in the US have heard of, much less place, we immediately sell the tunes on the black market. Hmm, not really. And, in defence of the US (which I am not entirely comfortable with doing; you did re-elect dubyah, and you still use that antiquated imperial system that stuffs me around no end... ) I did not know where most of the US cities were... or which states were what. But then I visited some of them. And now I do know where some of them are. Especially OSHKOSH! J
So, Bob, if you cannot figure a way around this, mail me directly. I, being non-American  , have a few friends in Europe who might be able to help out by getting the item sent to them and sending it on to you.... even some in Germany (but don’t mention the war!) 
Please someone tell me if this gets through; everytime that I send a reply there is a deafening silence- what is that? Is it because I am from somewhere in Africa (South Africa is in the south of Africa and is a country in its own right – SOUTH AFRICA), or is it that no one wants to talk to me because our idiot president has his d**k all over the net?
Jay
From Johannesburg (apparently one of the most dangerous cities in the world)
(crap- its an amazing metropolis that’s even sexier than Cape Town- with less stoned people)
(actually, maybe more stoned people, but WAY more interesting)
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HH Enterprises - Supply and installation of top class water filters
for your best drinking experience!- Aircraft assembly, repair, wiring and avionics
- Flight instruction
- General and Electrical Engineering services
(NHD Elec Eng, BTech Elec Eng, GDE ELec Eng)- Great dinner parties and conversation
- General adventuring, climbing, kayaking and living
Blog: www.rawhyde.wordpress.com
Cel: 083 300 8675
Email: jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: 31 May 2012 12:24 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com; rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com; aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968 that they require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do not know how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
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aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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No problem with reception in cool old NZ. Great flying weather
Downunder
MK111c
From: Jay Hyde (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:57 PM
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
Hah, the world is full of such idiosyncrasies. Try getting something out of Zeftronics in the US. Took me around 6 months to get a generator regulator from them; it arrived last week and I am too terrified to look at the details of it in case I ordered the wrong one- my client will castrate me. And there I thought that Germany was a service desert...
How about trying what the rest of the world does when trying to buy something from Itunes? Lie. You can only buy stuff from Itunes if you are in the US, so the rest of us create fictitious email addresses that seem to originate in the US and get on with buying what we desire. Of course, being from third world countries that very few people in the US have heard of, much less place, we immediately sell the tunes on the black market. Hmm, not really. And, in defence of the US (which I am not entirely comfortable with doing; you did re-elect dubyah, and you still use that antiquated imperial system that stuffs me around no end... ) I did not know where most of the US cities were... or which states were what. But then I visited some of them. And now I do know where some of them are. Especially OSHKOSH! J
So, Bob, if you cannot figure a way around this, mail me directly. I, being non-American , have a few friends in Europe who might be able to help out by getting the item sent to them and sending it on to you.... even some in Germany (but don’t mention the war!)
Please someone tell me if this gets through; everytime that I send a reply there is a deafening silence- what is that? Is it because I am from somewhere in Africa (South Africa is in the south of Africa and is a country in its own right – SOUTH AFRICA), or is it that no one wants to talk to me because our idiot president has his d**k all over the net?
Jay
From Johannesburg (apparently one of the most dangerous cities in the world)
(crap- its an amazing metropolis that’s even sexier than Cape Town- with less stoned people)
(actually, maybe more stoned people, but WAY more interesting)
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HH Enterprises - Supply and installation of top class water filters
for your best drinking experience! - Aircraft assembly, repair, wiring and avionics
- Flight instruction
- General and Electrical Engineering services
(NHD Elec Eng, BTech Elec Eng, GDE ELec Eng) - Great dinner parties and conversation
- General adventuring, climbing, kayaking and living
Blog: www.rawhyde.wordpress.com
Cel: 083 300 8675
Email: jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: 31 May 2012 12:24 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com; rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com; aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968 that they require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do not know how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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On 30/05/2012 23:35, FLYaDIVE wrote:
| Quote: | BUT! I can't believe that no one here in the USA makes
a voltage regulator!
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| Quote: | There are ONLY three connections - Ground - Field &
Output. Any regulator can handle that!
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This is not quite true. The regulator for the Rotax needs
to rectify the AC current out of the stator first. And
there is no field on a stator !
The connections have to be
Stator (AC) 2 cables
12v output
Earth output
Warning light
You may find that there is a suitable rectifier-regulator
available for the smaller John Deere tractors which will
do the job.
There are pictures on t'internet somewhere, and although
it may be a bit chunky it will be built to last !!!!!!
HTH
Richard
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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Bob
B & C specialities make a regulator for their PMG try
www.aeroelectric.com or ask on aeroelectric list.
Clive
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jay(at)horriblehyde.com
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator |
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Hey there Downunder- thanks for the reply J
I flew once in NZ; looked like a great place to fly on the north island, but not many good emergency landing areas further south on the South Island I thought- although I only saw the South Island from the ground.
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
Sent: 01 June 2012 03:56 AM
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
No problem with reception in cool old NZ. Great flying weather
Downunder
MK111c
From: Jay Hyde (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:57 PM
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
Hah, the world is full of such idiosyncrasies. Try getting something out of Zeftronics in the US. Took me around 6 months to get a generator regulator from them; it arrived last week and I am too terrified to look at the details of it in case I ordered the wrong one- my client will castrate me. And there I thought that Germany was a service desert...
How about trying what the rest of the world does when trying to buy something from Itunes? Lie. You can only buy stuff from Itunes if you are in the US, so the rest of us create fictitious email addresses that seem to originate in the US and get on with buying what we desire. Of course, being from third world countries that very few people in the US have heard of, much less place, we immediately sell the tunes on the black market. Hmm, not really. And, in defence of the US (which I am not entirely comfortable with doing; you did re-elect dubyah, and you still use that antiquated imperial system that stuffs me around no end... ) I did not know where most of the US cities were... or which states were what. But then I visited some of them. And now I do know where some of them are. Especially OSHKOSH! J
So, Bob, if you cannot figure a way around this, mail me directly. I, being non-American , have a few friends in Europe who might be able to help out by getting the item sent to them and sending it on to you.... even some in Germany (but don’t mention the war!)
Please someone tell me if this gets through; everytime that I send a reply there is a deafening silence- what is that? Is it because I am from somewhere in Africa (South Africa is in the south of Africa and is a country in its own right – SOUTH AFRICA), or is it that no one wants to talk to me because our idiot president has his d**k all over the net?
Jay
From Johannesburg (apparently one of the most dangerous cities in the world)
(crap- its an amazing metropolis that’s even sexier than Cape Town- with less stoned people)
(actually, maybe more stoned people, but WAY more interesting)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HH Enterprises
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Supply and installation of top class water filters
for your best drinking experience!
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Aircraft assembly, repair, wiring and avionics
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Flight instruction
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>General and Electrical Engineering services
(NHD Elec Eng, BTech Elec Eng, GDE ELec Eng)
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Great dinner parties and conversation
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>General adventuring, climbing, kayaking and living
Blog: www.rawhyde.wordpress.com
Cel: 083 300 8675
Email: jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)
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From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: 31 May 2012 12:24 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com); rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com); aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
Friends in Europe, especially Germany,
Would someone please find out what it would take for the Schicke Electronic to allow someone in the USA to purchase one of their GR6 voltage regulators.
They state on their site, to the best of my poor "Buch Deutch" from 1968 that they require written permission for export to the United States.
I would like very much to purchase one of their voltage regulators but do not know how to go about it.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
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Hi all
It seems to me that Rotax are missing a trick here with their voltage regulators.
As we all know aircraft are now carrying more and more sophisticated electronics on board, yet their regulator remains at least a 20 year old design and does occasionally fail causing a frying of expensive electronics as the result of high voltage output.
One would think that Rotax could offer a voltage regulator that monitors the output voltage at its output to the aircraft supply. Should the voltage rise above 15v the unit would cut the output to the aircraft supply to prevent damage to the expensive electronics. The aircraft could then continue on the 12v supply from the on board battery.
There are some add ons on sale that does the same job but fitting introspectively is usually a pain; but to be able to just swap the regulator for another Rotax one with built in protection utilizing the Rotax plug / existing mounting holes is a much easier option.
Brian
From: R Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk>
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Schicke GR6 Voltage Regulator
--> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: R Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk (rholder(at)avnet.co.uk)>
On 30/05/2012 23:35, FLYaDIVE wrote:
| Quote: | BUT! I can't believe that no one here in the USA makes
a voltage regulator!
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| Quote: | There are ONLY three connections - Ground - Field &
Output. Any regulator can handle that!
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This is not quite true. The regulator for the Rotax needs
to rectify the AC current out of the stator first. And
there is no field on a stator !
The connections have to be
Stator (AC) 2 cables
12v output
Earth output
Warning light
You may find that there is a suitable rectifier-regulator
available for the smaller John Deere tractors which will
do the job.
There are pictures on t'internet somewhere, and although
it may be a bit chunky it will be built to last cs.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.; - List ====
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BARRY CHECK 6
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Brian:
That is exactly what a Voltage Regulator (VR) a.k.a Alternator Control Unit (ACU) does. It monitors the output voltage to the system (BUSS / B+) and regulates the voltage. It DOES NOT monitor the voltage for the equipment - It monitors it for the BATTERY. The battery has two requirements:
1 - It stores chemical energy which is turned into CURRENT for the equipment and starter to work.
2 - It filters the charging voltage so as to eliminate peaks and valleys.
A 12 V battery requires 13.8 to 14.8 VDC to charge so the VR supplies that to the battery and system.
Some alternators have built in VR and others have external VR; each have their advantages. Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chances.
Barry
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Brian Ellis <e.brian44(at)yahoo.com (e.brian44(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi all
It seems to me that Rotax are missing a trick here with their voltage regulators.
As we all know aircraft are now carrying more and more sophisticated electronics on board, yet their regulator remains at least a 20 year old design and does occasionally fail causing a frying of expensive electronics as the result of high voltage output.
One would think that Rotax could offer a voltage regulator that monitors the output voltage at its output to the aircraft supply. Should the voltage rise above 15v the unit would cut the output to the aircraft supply to prevent damage to the expensive electronics. The aircraft could then continue on the 12v supply from the on board battery.
There are some add ons on sale that does the same job but fitting introspectively is usually a pain; but to be able to just swap the regulator for another Rotax one with built in protection utilizing the Rotax plug / existing mounting holes is a much easier option.
Brian
From: R Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk (rholder(at)avnet.co.uk)>
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:35 AM
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On 30/05/2012 23:35, FLYaDIVE wrote:
| Quote: | BUT! I can't believe that no one here in the USA makes
> a voltage regulator!
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| Quote: | There are ONLY three connections - Ground - Field &
Output. Any regulator can handle that!
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This is not quite true. The regulator for the Rotax needs
to rectify the AC current out of the stator first. And
there is no field on a stator !
The connections have to be
Stator (AC) 2 cables
12v output
Earth output
Warning light
You may find that there is a suitable rectifier-regulator
available for the smaller John Deere tractors which will
do the job.
There are pictures on t'internet somewhere, and although
it may be a bit chunky it will be built to last cs.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.; - List ====
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