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stephen vestuti

Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Posts: 62
Location: Wales, UK

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:16 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

Come on , lets see some of your panels, the iPad mount posting has got me wanting to see more, don't forget to talk about some of the instruments !

Steve.

rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

Steve,



FWIW:





Main panel, top row, left to right: Trim Indicator, EL Instrument Lighting control, 4 stand-by instruments; TruTrak Turn Coordinator, Altitude, Airspeed, Vertical Speed.

Row of lights, left to right: Hi/Lo Volt Warn (Yellow), EIS Warn (Red), 2 turbo warn lights (Orange & Red)

Just below the Volt Warn lamp is the press-to-test for the volt warn system.

Big screen is a Grand Rapids Technology Sport EFIS.  To the left of the Sport is a USB port feeding the Sport.  And an On/Off switch for the Sport as required by GRT.



Switch & Fuse panel, left to right: Master Switch (Red), A & B Ignition (Blue), Starter (Yellow), Starter Engaged Lamp (Yellow), Fuel Boost Pump (Green), Nav Lights (White), Strobes (White) & Instrument Lights (White).  Then two rows of circuit breakers.  The breaker with the Red Ring is for the trim.  There is also a keyed switch that prevents anything working.



Recess between the panels: TCU Emergency Off Switch - Red Guard in the ON position & a 12 volt DC outlet.



Right panel, top to bottom: Air Gizmo mount & Garmin 396, Microair 760 Radio and Microair Transponder, GRT EIS 4000 for Rotax, UMA Differential Pressure Gage, Controls for the Airmaster Prop.



On top of the instrument panel are GPS antennas for the GRT Sport and the 396.  Behind the iPad mount, in the corner of the shelf, is the XM Weather Antenna/Receiver for the 396.



I have not flown with this panel yet.  Still trying to get the 914 running properly after a year of down time.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com



On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:16 AM, stephen vestuti wrote:






Come on , lets see some of your panels, the iPad mount posting has got me wanting to see more, don't forget to talk about some of the instruments !

Steve.





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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:16 AM, stephen vestuti wrote:



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 Come on , lets see some of your panels, the iPad mount posting has  

 got me wanting to see more, don't forget to talk about some of the  

 instruments !


	


Steve,



Photo below shows my effort to KIS and visually serene...still a work  

in progress...instruments include the Dynon Skyview, UMA 2.25 ALT and  

ASI backups, Gizmo for Garmin X96; small green screen is EMS  

compatible w/ programmable ECU; space for ICOM 210 & xponder. I  

extended the valence over the nav panel in an effort to enhance  

visability of GPS screen; increased the size of the lip to conceal a  

36" length of red LEDs for panel illumination.



Am considering mounting an iPad directly on the top of the control  

stick...LOL...



Fred

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rholder(at)avnet.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

On 03/06/2012 15:16, stephen vestuti wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Come on , lets see some of your panels, the iPad mount

 posting has got me wanting to see more, don't forget to

 talk about some of the instruments !


	


This "old thing" on G-OWWW, does me, for now !



The ammeter and voltmeter sit on a sub panel which stays

in the aircraft when the panel is slid out. The space

neatly avoids the brake and throttle levers.



Richard

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rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 804

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

Hi Richard 

 	Thx. for sharing your panel with us. 

 	Can you explain or show a shot of the other side of the red rubber band and steel? I imagine it clamps somehow onto the rudder pedals. 

 	Another question, what is the T handle for by the choke? If not a parking brake can you explain your plumbing and routing of air. 

 	Last question, it looks like you have some kind of paint protector for the door shoot bolt hole (port front). How does it work, what did you use? 

 	Thx. 

 	Ron Parigoris    [quote][b]

rholder(at)avnet.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

On 03/06/2012 19:21, rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thx. for sharing your panel with us.


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Can you explain or show a shot of the other side of the

 red rubber band and steel? I imagine it clamps somehow

 onto the rudder pedals.


	


The red rubber band and steel is the control lock. The

other side goes to a "T-piece" that is goes into the

rudder pedals. It actually slides into the hollow pedals

(from between them) The red rubber bands are there as the

cylindrical shape isn't quite aligned with the top of the

stick so helps to keep it in place. UK residents will

recognise the red rubber bands as Royal Mail issue 

(Previously enjoyed)



 	  Quote: 	
		   Another question, what is the T handle for by the

 choke? If not a parking brake can you explain your

 plumbing and routing of air.


	


The T handle is for my cowl flap which is behind the

radiators - blanking off the space when it is cold. When

pulled the shaft is marked with green and yellow and red

bands.



Parking brake is in  front of the brake levers.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Last question, it looks like you have some kind of

 paint protector for the door shoot bolt hole (port

 front). How does it work, what did you use?


	


It is a piece of something (I didn't build that bit) maybe

SS, which provides an accurate hole for the shoot bolt and

protects the surrounding fibreglass.



HTH



Richard, ho would really like to be involved designing and

building panels following my logic.



PS, my logic says that every electrical joint is soldered

as crimping is a) a poor mechanical connection and b) a

poor electrical connection  Soldering is a very good

mechanical and electrical connection; I just make sure

there is no wicking of solder up the cable by minimising

the amount of solder and holding the joint the right way

when soldering.



[Stands back and waits for incoming flak]

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

For all of you suffering from "panel" envy.



You will find 33 on the bottom of the page "Building", "Panel and

instrument".  This includes the three published this week.



If you would like yours added just put it on the Forum or send a copy direct

to me.

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: Show us your panels !

-----Alkuperäinen viesti----- 

From: R Holder

Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 10:19 PM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Show us your panels ! 

HTH



PS, my logic says that every electrical joint is 

soldered

as crimping is a) a poor mechanical connection and 

b) a

poor electrical connection  Soldering is a very 

good

mechanical and electrical connection; I just make 

sure

there is no wicking of solder up the cable by 

minimising

the amount of solder and holding the joint the 

right way

when soldering.



[Stands back and waits for incoming flak]



Do agree. I have soldered all the possible joints. 

They will last forever.



Raimo

OH-XRT



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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

Raimo



Just to make you feel good. I prefer to crimp and solder anything less than

18 gauge.

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

frans(at)privatepilots.nl
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

On 06/05/2012 11:46 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:



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		   Do agree. I have soldered all the possible joints. They will last forever.


	


Same here. I soldered almost everything. Using proper materials and

operation there is nothing wrong with soldering.

The only caveat is that you MUST protect solder joints from movements.

Judicious use of tie-wraps is the key. 



All the internal parts of avionics are soldered as well. I still need to

see the first GPS units where the internal parts are crimped rather than

soldered. 



Frans

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

Actually, I crossed over to the "dark side" on this one.  I was initially very skeptical about using crimping, but after doing some research I decided to give it a try.  The airplane has been flying since 2004 and I have not had any issues with crimps.

 

Just as an aside, a long time I ago I did a class called high reliability soldering.  One of the exercises we did was to cut a cross section of various solder joints and examine them under a metallurgy microscope.  It was quite surprising the number of joints that looked okay were in actual fact crystalline.

 

Paul

[quote] 

 On 06/05/2012 11:46 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:

 

 > Do agree. I have soldered all the possible joints. They will last forever.

 

 Same here. I soldered almost everything. Using proper materials and

 operation there is nothing wrong with soldering.

 The only caveat is that you MUST protect solder joints from movements.

 Judicious use of tie-wraps is the key. 

 

 All the internal parts of avionics are soldered as well. I still need to

 see the first GPS units where the internal parts are crimped rather than

 soldered. 

 

 Frans

[b]

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

Ian,



You did it. I feel so good that I will climb to 

the roof and scream to the west "you are the best, 

Ian".



Cheers, Raimo



-----Alkuperäinen viesti----- 

From: G-IANI

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:41 AM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Show us your panels !




<g-iani(at)ntlworld.com>



Raimo



Just to make you feel good. I prefer to crimp and 

solder anything less than

18 gauge.

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com





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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: Show us your panels !

All



I do for my business and to get some fuel to fly 

for example all kinds of outdoor displays. I have 

done since 1980 about 500.000 hand soldering 

joints by myself. They all are outside in very 

hard conditions; humidity 30-100%, sometimes under 

water, temp varies -40...+100 (yes - you can fry 

an egg there over the black aluminium plate), some 

of them are a bit shakeing and so. None of them - 

I repeat - none has ever broken. If a soldering 

joint is well done, it is so forever. At least 

when I complete it (or my wife)!



I wish I had a photo of my "main bus" and "sub 

busses". Some of you will got a heart attack if 

saw them. Buy your medicine - I will some day show 

you.



Is not that strange that in aviation there are 

many so old but still valid techs like this (to 

crimp)?



For example it is awful that we have fuel in the 

cockpit. Think about every Cessna´s or Piper´s 

primer or those oil pressure gauges which bring 

hot oil over your knees. And sometimes to your 

knees. Our fuel filters under our ashes or that 

grazy sight gauge. (Thanks Frans - I WILL 

ELIMINATE IT ASAP).



Generating heat in a plane is easy to do from the 

muffler. That is dangerous. I hate my heating 

systems and have that is why a CO-detector. Should 

make a heater via radiator. Next winter?



We - as an experimentalists - are the sharp point 

of the development. Let´s be brave and do our job 

as well as we can.



Of course I do understand: old way is usually more 

safe than a pack full of new but not so much 

experienced way.



Still, some habits should change - let us step 

down from the elephant´s bone tower...



Raimo

Finland

OH-XRT



-----Alkuperäinen viesti----- 

From: Frans Veldman

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:15 PM

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Show us your panels !




<frans(at)privatepilots.nl>



On 06/05/2012 11:46 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Do agree. I have soldered all the possible 

 joints. They will last forever.


	


Same here. I soldered almost everything. Using 

proper materials and

operation there is nothing wrong with soldering.

The only caveat is that you MUST protect solder 

joints from movements.

Judicious use of tie-wraps is the key. 



All the internal parts of avionics are soldered as 

well. I still need to

see the first GPS units where the internal parts 

are crimped rather than

soldered. 



Frans

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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Show us your panels !

Here is a my very simple panel,. Sorry no carpet, no leather. The base model. Ventrui AI and DI, Area 500 gps, iphone memorymap. 

The middle panels can be removed and all instruments and fuse panel and wiring accessed without taking out the whole console. 

I am already changing it, taking out the rotax tacho and clock and putting in the CS prop controller.

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