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donaldlynam(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject: Riviter marks

Here is another homebuilder 101 question. About 25% of the time when I am using my pneumatic riveter I get a smile shaped mark around a part of the rivet on the material below. It is about fingernail deep, I can just catch the end of my fingernail on it. You can see them in the photo - this one is on the spar at a rib flange. I have tried everything I can think of, replace riveter nose piece, pulled gun away as I am riveting, etc and I still get them. The air pleasure at the compressor is at 75-80 psi, anything less and the rivet gun won't cycle. Any suggestions on how I can prevent them? Do I need to worry about the riveter marks/scratchs on the spar?

 

Thanks,

Don Lynam

601XL

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: Riviter marks

What riveter are you using? The Harbor Freight riveter I used did not cause this very often but I think it would cycle at a lower pressure.

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		  Here is another homebuilder 101 question. About 25% of the time when I am using my pneumatic riveter I get a smile shaped mark around a part of the rivet on the material below. It is about fingernail deep, I can just catch the end of my fingernail on it. You can see them in the photo - this one is on the spar at a rib flange. I have tried everything I can think of, replace riveter nose piece, pulled gun away as I am riveting, etc and I still get them. The air pleasure at the compressor is at 75-80 psi, anything less and the rivet gun won't cycle. Any suggestions on how I can prevent them? Do I need to worry about the riveter marks/scratchs on the spar?

 

Thanks,

Don Lynam

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graeme(at)coletoolcentre.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: Riviter marks

Don 

  

 Check you are using the right size nose piece  

 Check the nose hase been modified correctly note recess  not to deep.

 Make sure the rivet tool is not Bouncing when the rivet  breaks.

 What sort of rivet puller are you using 

 straight Pneumatic (probably go off with a  bang)

 or Pneumatic over Hydraulic (not as harsh )

 Check pressure should only need 90-100psi

  

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: Riviter marks

Don 

  

 just re read your post riviter won't cycle?

 what do you mean won't cycle? (it won't pull the  rivit)

  

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: Riviter marks

At 02:54 PM 7/15/2012 Sunday, you wrote:

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		  Here is another homebuilder 101 question. About 25% of the time when I am using my pneumatic riveter I get a smile shaped mark around a part of the rivet on the material below. It is about fingernail deep, I can just catch the end of my fingernail on it. You can see them in the photo - this one is on the spar at a rib flange. I have tried everything I can think of, replace riveter nose piece, pulled gun away as I am riveting, etc and I still get them. The air pleasure at the compressor is at 75-80 psi, anything less and the rivet gun won't cycle. Any suggestions on how I can prevent them? Do I need to worry about the riveter marks/scratchs on the spar?

 

Thanks,

Don Lynam

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Maybe get a piece of 1/8" flat nylon stock and drill a 1/8" hole in the center.  Put it over the rivet mandrel first, then put the puller over the mandrel and squeeze.  I think the nylon will be hard enough to allow the rivet to be properly set. 



You might also try pushing *harder* on the rivet squeezer when you pull them.  And make sure that you're always straight and perpendicular to the surface.



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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: Riviter marks

Hi Don,

     

     There are two problems I think you have.  Fixing either one will     prevent your smilies.

     

     1.  You aren't holding the riveter perpendicular to the work.  That     is why the smilie is only a semi-circle.  One side of the rivet tool     is hitting the work piece while the other isn't.  If you can get the     riveter really straight up and down it won't leave this kind of     mark.

     

     2.  It may be that your nose piece has sharp edges that make the     marks.  You can reduce the edges with a file, a Dremel tool with a     stone, or if you have a metal lathe you can turn the edges down with     either a tool, a file, or some abrasive paper/cloth.  The more     rounded the edges of your nose piece the less likely you are to cut     into the work piece with the edge.

     

     Good luck,

     

     Paul

     Camas, WA

     Zodiac XL in phase I testing.

     On 7/15/2012 2:54 PM, Donald Lynam       wrote:

     

     [quote]                       Here is another homebuilder 101 question. About 25% of the time         when I am using my pneumatic riveter I get a smile shaped mark         around a part of the rivet on the material below. It is about         fingernail deep, I can just catch the end of my fingernail on         it. You can see them in the photo - this one is on the spar at a         rib flange. I have tried everything I can think of, replace         riveter nose piece, pulled gun away as I am riveting, etc and I         still get them. The air pleasure at the compressor is at 75-80         psi, anything less and the rivet gun won't cycle. Any         suggestions on how I can prevent them? Do I need to worry about         the riveter marks/scratchs on the spar?

          

         Thanks,

         Don Lynam

         601XL

          

       

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