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				 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:21 am    Post subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap | 
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				Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?  They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
 
 I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap | 
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				Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back  cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job. 
   
 Dan Schmitz 
 Tiger 4518B 
 KASH 
      
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 Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?   They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
  
  I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier. 
  
  
  
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				 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap | 
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				Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
 
 Gary
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 [quote] I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
  
  Brock
  
  From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
  
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  To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com>
  Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
  Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
  
  
  Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:11 am    Post subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap | 
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				I'm in !
 
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 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
  
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
  
 Gary
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
  
  	  | Quote: | 	 		        I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 
 Brock
 
 From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
  
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 To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)>
  Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 
   
 Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back  cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job. 
   
 Dan Schmitz 
 Tiger 4518B 
 KASH 
      
 From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
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  Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap 
  
  
     
 Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?   They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
  
  I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.  
  
  
  
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap | 
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				The ones I made by hand took about an hour each. I figured I could get a machine shop to stamp out a dozen for $5.00/set. then, sell them for $20/set. Boy was I wrong. I would need to buy 200 sets to get the price to $7.12/set. 
 
 I guess the cowling proves I'm not in this for the money. 
 
 Gary
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 On Jul 24, 2012, at 9:40 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
 
 [quote] What? I thought you said expensive.  25 ain't expensive. Hell, you can't buy a spark plug for 25. 
  
  From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
  
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  From: "Gary L Vogt" <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com>
  To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com>
  Subject: Re: Filed under: a better mousetrap
  Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 1:38 am
  
  
  Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
  
  Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
  
  "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
  
  Gary
  Sent from my iPad
  
  On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
  
 > I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 > 
 > Brock
 > 
 > From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
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 > ----- Reply message -----
 > From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com>
 > To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com>
 > Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 > Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
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 > 
 > Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job
 
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