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				 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap | 
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				Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.
 
 I'd buy a set.
  
 
 Thanks,
 Michael
 
 
 Michael W. Meyer
 Tiger N74086
 San Francisco, CA
 michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)
 
  
   
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 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
  
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
  
 Gary
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 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
  
  	  | Quote: | 	 		        I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 
 Brock
 
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  Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 
  
 Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back  cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.
  
 Dan Schmitz
 Tiger 4518B
 KASH
     
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 Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?   They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
  
  I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.  
  
  
  
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap | 
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				......and another thought.
 I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.
   
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 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product. 
 
 I'd buy a set.
    
  Thanks,
 Michael
 
 
 Michael W. Meyer
 Tiger N74086
 San Francisco, CA
 michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)
  
  
   
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 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
    	  | Quote: | 	 		  Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
   
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
   
 Gary
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
   
  	  | Quote: | 	 		        I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 
 Brock
 
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   Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 
  
 Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back  cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.
   
 Dan Schmitz
 Tiger 4518B 
 KASH
      
 From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
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  Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap 
  
 
    
 Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?   They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
   
  I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.   
  
  
  
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				 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap | 
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				I’ll second or third that and would buy a set if available.
  
 Dean White (Tiger N81166)
 Edmonds, WA 98026
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
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 ......and another thought.
 
 I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.
 
  
 
 Wes Chapman
 
 KVDI
 
 N74080/Tiger
 
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
 Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.
  
 
 I'd buy a set.
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Michael
 
  
 
  
 
 Michael W. Meyer
 
  
 
 Tiger N74086
 
 San Francisco, CA
 
  
 
 michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)
 
  
 On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:
 
 
 I'm in !
  
 
 w
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
 Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
 
  
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 
  
 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
 Gary
 
 Sent from my iPad
 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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 I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 
 Brock
 
 From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
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 From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com (Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com)>
 To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)>
 Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 
  
 Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.
  
 Dan Schmitz
 Tiger 4518B
 KASH
  
 From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
 To: Teamgrumman List
 Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
  
 Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?  They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
 
 I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap | 
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				Thanks Wes.  I do appreciate the kudos.  
 And, thank you Michael.  Guys like you keep me in business.
 Some of you know I'm completely redoing my interior and a firewall forward with an IO360 and constant speed prop.  I've relocated wires, relays, battery, made the firewall almost void of junk.  I've also changed some interior to get rid of more of the plastic.  My rear console will be flat all the way to the spar.  No more plastic!  The console between the seats will be different too.  Can you say . . . 'cup holders?'  It's a long, tedious process.  
 Mike, when do you want to get started on the tandem  Tiger?
 Also, the tail on our planes is the only real weak spot in the fuselage.  I've got an idea for that too.  But, not for a while.  Gotta pay off two houses.  
 Gary
         From: Wes Chapman <weschapmanpc(at)gmail.com>
  To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: a better mousetrap
   
  
 ......and another thought.
 I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.
   
 Wes Chapman
 KVDI
 N74080/Tiger
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		  Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product. 
 
 I'd buy a set.
    
  Thanks,
 Michael
 
 
 Michael W. Meyer
 Tiger N74086
 San Francisco, CA
 michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)
  
  
   
 On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:
 
  	  | Quote: | 	 		  I'm in !
 
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 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
    	  | Quote: | 	 		  Well, all I can say is that after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
   
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
   
 Gary
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
   
 
  	  | Quote: | 	 		        I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 
 Brock
 
 From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
   
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   Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 
  Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back  cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.
  
  Dan Schmitz
 Tiger 4518B
  KASH
  
     From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
  To: Teamgrumman List
  Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
  
  
  
   Do you think there would be any demand for a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?   They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
   
  I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.
    
  
  
  
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				 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:30 am    Post subject: a better mousetrap | 
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				I'll tell the fabricator to make 20 sets.  It's about all I can afford.  
 Thanks for your help Dean.  Let me know some performance figures with that Jaguar cowling.  
         From: Dean White <dmwhite(at)e3ra.com>
  To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:54 PM
  Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re:  a better mousetrap
   
  
 I’ll second or third that and would buy a set if available.
   
 Dean White (Tiger N81166)
 Edmonds, WA 98026
 dmwhite(at)e3ra.com
   
 From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes Chapman
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:35 AM
 To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
 Subject: Re: Re: a better mousetrap
 
   
 ......and another thought.
 
 I'm mighty dang glad that folks like Gary are out there innovating and improving our frames/planes. Heck, use them often or not, i'm buying the product to keep keen minds like Gary's pushing forward. Thanks Gary.
 
  
 
 Wes Chapman
 
 KVDI
 
 N74080/Tiger
 
 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Michael W. Meyer <michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)> wrote:
 Little by little, eliminating this and that annoying thing, eventually makes a big difference in a product.
   
 
 I'd buy a set.
   
 
 Thanks,
 
 Michael
 
   
 
   
 
 Michael W. Meyer
 
   
 
 Tiger N74086
 
 San Francisco, CA
 
    
 
 michael(at)flightsked.com (michael(at)flightsked.com)
 
   
 On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Wes Chapman wrote:
 
 
 I'm in !
   
 
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 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Gary L Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
 Well, all I can say is that  after trying it on the one installation, it's an awesome improvement over the latch thats in there. For $25 to 30 a set and about 20 minutes installation, it makes a serious difference in convenience. 
 
   
 
 Sure, like most poorly conceived designs, there is always a work around. The current latch is just one example. 
 
   
 
 "Never leave well enough alone." - Raymond Loewy. The most influential engineer of the twentieth century. 
 Gary
 
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 On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:38 PM, "n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)" <n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com (n2_narcosis(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
 
  	  | Quote: | 	 		  I agree with Dan. I flip my seats often as sometimes I take people for rides and sometimes I carry stuff and dogs. I have never had a problem with the latches as they are. 
 
 Brock
 
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 From: "Dan Schmitz" <Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com (Dan.Schmitz(at)calix.com)>
 To: "teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)" <teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)>
 Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
 Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 2:19 pm
 
   
 Speaking for myself, the current latches don’t seem so bad I’d look to replace them.  I only flip my back seats about once a year and find getting the back cushions on/off to be the only annoying part of the job.
  
 Dan Schmitz
 Tiger 4518B
 KASH
  
 From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-teamgrumman-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:21 PM
 To: Teamgrumman List
 Subject: Filed under: a better mousetrap
  
 Do you think there would be any demand for  a seat latch that had a thumb tab to disengage the latch?  They aren't cheap to make (unless I have them made in China).  I would get a PMA for them.  Direct replacement.
 
 I have a set installed in a customers plane as a test.  I think it makes the whole 'putting the seat back down' a lot easier.
 
 
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