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 Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: Handheld comm radio |
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Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio used in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on board, both in case the installed radio should fail and –primarily – as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the traffic controllers on radio no. 1.
Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated.
Regards
Svein
LN-SKJ
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rparigoris
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: Handheld comm radio |
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Hi Svein
I mounted a Vertex handheld in my panel run through an audio panel. (not flying yet)
I have a separate antenna for the Vertex. I have the AAE antenna folded in half so that it works equally as bad on Nav and Com. Reality is it probably will function ~ 75% of it being properly orientated. Works a lot better than the rubber ducky antenna. The antenna is easily removable so you can work in the back.
Using a better antenna than the rubber ducky will give you a lot better results no matter what radio you use.
Pics of panel mounted radio:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27305
Pics of removable antenna (folded in half):
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=31216
Ron Parigoris
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budyerly(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: Handheld comm radio |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Svein,
I have used portables in the Europa with only the rubber duckie antenna and find ranges of 15-20 miles without a problem. I use the plug in adapters for my headsets in the radio to improve hearing and communicating... This makes listening to the main and standby radio difficult with a speaker in the plane near your head. The handheld will pick up the EM from the speaker and it drives the squelch to an annoying level. I will use the hand held with one headphone off if I need to use two radios. My experience in the military with only one radio makes listening to the handheld or com 2 a pain. I guess I am just a one thing at a time guy and not a multi-tasker.
Increase your range by installing an antenna such as the Advanced Aircraft Electronics (AAE) brand which have a built in ground plane.
Run a coax wire from the antenna into the passenger headrest and it works pretty good. Transmitting through the engine with the duckie antenna is a problem in the pattern so figure the guy pulling out on the runway with you on final, may not hear you well.
Choose a handheld with a 5 watt power output and it works very well with the AAE brand antenna as a backup for radio failure. Using it for a trip will require aircraft power. Glider pilots have been using them for com for quite some time with the stick on the canopy optional antennas sold by most handheld manufacturers.
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
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rlborger(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: Handheld comm radio |
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Sven,
I have flown a couple sport biplanes which used handheld radios wired into the cockpit. Adaptors for standard headsets and some sort of adaptor for PTT on the stick. Wired to A/C power and coax to external wire antenna. Worked very well.
Best regards,
Robert Borger, President
Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
(H) 940-497-2123
(C) 817-992-1117
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Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio used in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on board, both in case the installed radio should fail and –primarily – as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the traffic controllers on radio no. 1.
Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated.
Regards
Svein
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max8992
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: Handheld comm radio |
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Just bought this week an Icon IC-A6FR as I had a radio failure during our last trip and it was inside a CTR…
Standard connection to head-set is available in the package. Reception is loud and clear (even in the hangar which is the worst situation, much more than in the plane). I wasn’t yet able to experiment deeply the quality of the emission as I was alone in the ship but it works fine. I will do it probably next WE and let you know.
Max Cointe
F-PMLH Europa_TriGear
Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours
mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)
De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel & Svein Johnsen
Envoyé : dimanche 23 septembre 2012 18:27
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Objet : Handheld comm radio
Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio used in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on board, both in case the installed radio should fail and –primarily – as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the traffic controllers on radio no. 1.
Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated.
Regards
Svein
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max8992
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:51 am Post subject: Handheld comm radio |
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Svein,
That’s exactly it : the FR extension means that a kit including a filter is delivered with the radio and then is approved for in flight use (but I guess it’s more a regulation constraint than physical need). I’ve not yet installed an external antenna, I will try first to evaluate what could be the distance where I could be heard…
The kit comes with an additional plug to connect your head-set (mike and hears) which includes a entry for the emission switch.
Max Cointe
F-PMLH Europa_TriGear
Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours
mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)
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Envoyé : lundi 24 septembre 2012 16:26
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Objet : SV: Handheld comm radio
Thanks very much for the several replies. It seems to be clear that an external antenna is required for good transmission, so I will check out the AAE antenna which Aircraft Spruce sells.
As for the radio, it is interesting to note the FR notation after the type number on your Icom radio, Max (Icom IC-A6FR). From what I can understand, this is as special model (or a special package) including a filter which makes it an approved aviation radio for French registered light aircrafts. Can you comment on this, Max – my French is not what it used to be (never was …..).
The French Icom promotion video shows this radio in a cockpit with an external antenna cable connected – is that your set-up, too, Max? I could not see that a hand-held mike is available for this radio, though.
Regards,
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