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Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shiny as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How long are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C. Flyer
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Subject: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: Prep for Assy. |
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A friend near the FL coast once tested several coatings on 2024 samples & then dipped them in salt water repeatedly over a period of many months. The sample that was just alodined fared as well as the high dollar epoxy. ( I doubt that you could detect the weight change on an alodined part.)
FWIW,
Charlie
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On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:22 AM, "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com (smirdrv(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: Prep for Assy. |
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Robin,
No Primer? Not even inside the wings? I haven't seen a thread pertaining to this subject recently, so I'm not attempting to start a "fire" or anything like that. I just want to build the plane. I built the wings and Tail section quite a while ago. Just finished a Tailwind Restoration and now want to complete my -6 (Kit #25315). So you're suggesting the plane can be assembled "as is"?
R.C.
From: robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Subject: RE: RV-List: Prep for Assy.
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:37:20 +0000
R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shiny as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How long are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C. Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: Prep for Assy. |
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Keep in mind that all of the Bauxite in dirt thruout the world is actually the fossilized remains of RVs built during the Pleistocene, so, without primer they don't last forever...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: Prep for Assy. |
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R.C.
My reply re: primer was tongue in cheek and good natured but to answer your question correct, no primer. A friend that has build 9 RVs never primed and I took my que from him after reviewing both my vintage Beechcraft and Cessna. I recall the first time I looked inside my 53' and figured if it was good enough for Beechcraft... I am sure others will have differing opinions I just wanted to share our thought process. I am sure you will be fine no matter which way you go.
Happy Holidays,
Robin
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On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "R.C. Flyer" <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com (smirdrv(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Robin,
No Primer? Not even inside the wings? I haven't seen a thread pertaining to this subject recently, so I'm not attempting to start a "fire" or anything like that. I just want to build the plane. I built the wings and Tail section quite a while ago. Just finished a Tailwind Restoration and now want to complete my -6 (Kit #25315). So you're suggesting the plane can be assembled "as is"?
R.C.
From: robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Prep for Assy.
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:37:20 +0000
R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shiny as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How long are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: Prep for Assy. |
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Howdy R.C.,
What a lot of guys are doing is using rattle can self-etching primer on the faying surfaces and counting on the alclad to do it's job for the skins. You don't even have to do that much, but it may assuage your need to strive for perfection. Angle stock and thicker plate must be primed as it isn't alclad. Steel must be painted. Don't bother priming anything exterior as you'll just have to remove it to paint the plane. Sem can be found at auto paint supply stores. I've been using rustoleum self-etching primer from Lowe's or HD. It's got a nice dark green color and will work well enough. Epoxy is bulletproof and a pain in the butt, but if you feel ya gotta....
Robin has a pretty good point. Unless you are really young and leave the thing out in humid weather for years, you won't live long enough to see serious corrosion on the interior. My '63 C-150C, on the other hand, was delivered new to Santa Barbara where it sat out on the ramp in the salt fog for a lot of years and it finally died of cancer. The wing attach fittings looked like croissants! You're probably not going to want to sit your airplane outside more than you have to. It's really hard on the paint, avionics, and interior, even though we're not too worried about corrosion. These airplanes are small. You'll be able to find a hangar to share and keep the cost down.
As to cold garages, I have a halogen (electric) heater hanging over my workbench that takes the edge off (and a window air conditioner for the worst days in summer). I've used those work lights you can get at Lowe's Depot for localized heating before. For any kind of painting, including priming, you'll want to get the temp up above 65 and keep it there until the paint is cured.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
RV-6A
RV-6 Engine nearly complete, Yay!
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R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shiny as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How long are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of R.C. Flyer
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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smirdrv(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: Prep for Assy. |
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Thanks, Ed and Robin;
I was concerned because I built the wings and the tail sections in '98, and only primed the spars of the Horizontal, Verticle, and Rudder. Didn't do any of the Wings. this was a "Back Check" before I get too far along.
R.C.
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:29:35 -0800
From: bicyclop(at)pacbell.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Prep for Assy.
Howdy R.C.,
What a lot of guys are doing is using rattle can self-etching primer on the faying surfaces and counting on the alclad to do it's job for the skins. You don't even have to do that much, but it may assuage your need to strive for perfection. Angle stock and thicker plate must be primed as it isn't alclad. Steel must be painted. Don't bother priming anything exterior as you'll just have to remove it to paint the plane. Sem can be found at auto paint supply stores. I've been using rustoleum self-etching primer from Lowe's or HD. It's got a nice dark green color and will work well enough. Epoxy is bulletproof and a pain in the butt, but if you feel ya gotta....
Robin has a pretty good point. Unless you are really young and leave the thing out in humid weather for years, you won't live long enough to see serious corrosion on the interior. My '63 C-150C, on the other hand, was delivered new to Santa Barbara where it sat out on the ramp in the salt fog for a lot of years and it finally died of cancer. The wing attach fittings looked like croissants! You're probably not going to want to sit your airplane outside more than you have to. It's really hard on the paint, avionics, and interior, even though we're not too worried about corrosion. These airplanes are small. You'll be able to find a hangar to share and keep the cost down.
As to cold garages, I have a halogen (electric) heater hanging over my workbench that takes the edge off (and a window air conditioner for the worst days in summer). I've used those work lights you can get at Lowe's Depot for localized heating before. For any kind of painting, including priming, you'll want to get the temp up above 65 and keep it there until the paint is cured.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
RV-6A
RV-6 Engine nearly complete, Yay!
On 12/20/2012 9:37 PM, Robin Marks wrote: [quote]
R.C
Yikes! Is this a primer question?
As a point of reference my D35 Bonanza from 1953 is unprimed and looks shiny as the day it first flew. Same with an early 1960's Cessna I owned. How long are you planning to keep yours again? I chose not to prime either of my RV's. Check back with me is 2065.
Robin
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:23 PM
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Subject: Prep for Assy.
Folks,
I am building a -6 Fuselage (Slow build) and need to prime parts and the interior. What has been determined to be the proper process to use? I'm in So. Cal. and the build is being accomplished in the garage. Temps are hanging in the low 40's (at) night. The Garage is insulated, so it only gets down to the mid 50's in there. I've seen "Eco" primers, as well as Epoxy primers. This is not going to be a "show" plane, but I do plan on keeping it for some time. It may have to live out in the elements at times. What do you suggest, and where can it be acquired? Thanks in advance.
R.C.
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Hi Ed:Some folks prime and some don't - I won't go into the pros and cons - that's guaranteed to start a fight - I finished my -7A (a slow build) 3+ years ago - I primed everything with Sherwin - Williams Industrial Wash Primer - Semi Transparent Green (P60 G2) - I bought it at a Sherwin Williams store the caters to body shops and professional painters - I used an "el-cheapo" spray gun from Home Depot - my first efforts were a bit messy but only the bugs will ever see them - I eventually got pretty good at it - do not scrimp on respirators - get yourself a high quality, well fitting 3M or equivalent - keep all garage doors open and use a couple of box fans to keep the air flowing through - best would be to get yourself a fresh air respirator which draws fresh air into the mask through a flex tube from outside - the downside is they tend to be expensive - not sure the impact of ambient temps - I remember spraying in some pretty cold conditions here in Massachusetts - when finished I closed the doors, turned the heat on and got out of there - the parts dried just fine -
hope this helps - good luck and enjoy the build
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A N307TB
376 hours since first flight
on 8/4/09
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:39 AM, R.C. Flyer <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com (smirdrv(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Thanks, Ed and Robin;
I was concerned because I built the wings and the tail sections in '98, and only primed the spars of the Horizontal, Verticle, and Rudder. Didn't do any of the Wings. this was a "Back Check" before I get too far along.
R.C.
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:29:35 -0800
From: bicyclop(at)pacbell.net (bicyclop(at)pacbell.net)
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Prep for Assy.
Howdy R.C.,
What a lot of guys are doing is using rattle can self-etching primer on the faying surfaces and counting on the alclad to do it's job for the skins. You don't even have to do that much, but it may assuage your need to strive for perfection. Angle stock and thicker plate must be primed as it isn't alclad. Steel must be painted. Don't bother priming anything exterior as you'll just have to remove it to paint the plane. Sem can be found at auto paint supply stores. I've been using rustoleum self-etching primer from Lowe's or HD. It's got a nice dark green color and will work well enough. Epoxy is bulletproof and a pain in the butt, but if you feel ya gotta....
Robin has a pretty good point. Unless you are really young and leave the thing out in humid weather for years, you won't live long enough to see serious corrosion on the interior. My '63 C-150C, on the other hand, was delivered new to Santa Barbara where it sat out on the ramp in the salt fog for a lot of years and it finally died of cancer. The wing attach fittings looked like croissants! You're probably not going to want to sit your airplane outside more than you have to. It's really hard on the paint, avionics, and interior, even though we're not too worried about corrosion. These airplanes are small. You'll be able to find a hangar to share and keep the cost down.
As to cold garages, I have a halogen (electric) heater hanging over my workbench that takes the edge off (and a window air conditioner for the worst days in summer). I've used those work lights you can get at Lowe's Depot for localized heating before. For any kind of painting, including priming, you'll want to get the temp up above 65 and keep it there until the paint is cured.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
RV-6A
RV-6 Engine nearly complete, Yay!
On 12/20/2012 9:37 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
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Just do what ever you want. In the end one can justify either decision.
However, if you ever sell the aircraft, it might be diffucult to convince a buyer that bare aluminum is OK.
Parts of my aircraft are now 20 years old. Only sign of rust is on the steel parts and they were primed and painted. My rollbar is the biggest problem, if I had to do it again, I would have it powder coated.
Bob
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