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tylorhall(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:50 pm Post subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Andy,I have a technical question.  I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have.

You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.

You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props.

They look very different.  What is the reason for using the wrong photo? 

How soon can we expect to see the Movie?

Tylor Hall



On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote]    Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd



Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone



----- Reply message -----

From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com (andy(at)58November.com)>

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am



 Tom  & the Commander Group,

  

 I  appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943  . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not  happen again.

  

 I do  hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a  reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different.  As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck  Rogers"

  

 This  is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in  Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes  and some of my father's last known words.

 You  will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the  screen

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs

  

 If any  of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to  contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County  Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future  A&P's

  

 If any  of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your  support

  

 Thanks,

 Andy  Downs

 615-474-0590

 Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)

 http://58November.com

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom  Fisher

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Commander 58  November Pilot Ball Caps

 

 Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site  and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.

 I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun  wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours,  it is just the ad I did not like.

 Tom

 (500B)

 (680FLP (Mr.RPM))

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andy(at)58November.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Good  eye Tylor....

 I at  the time I did the art work I could not find a suitable picture of a 681 Turbo  Commander. If anyone has a good photo  at that same angle I would love to  incorporate it into the title card.

  

 The  film will be ready about 140 days after I raise the funding.  

 Currently I have about 12 interviews to complete in Jacksonville,  Atlanta and Nashville. I have located 3 FBI agents who were involved on the ramp  at JAX, the ATC Chief in JAX, the Federal Judge that heard the air piracy  criminal trial against the surviving hijacking Bobby Wayne Wallace, and many  other eyewitnesses and attorneys.

  

 I have  shot about 25% of the film over the last 6 years and am out of funding. It has  taken years to collect the documents from the FBI and National Archives. To date  I have over 11,000 files from FBI and court records.

  

 This  is a private url address I have posted some info on just for those interested.  Pease be aware that there are crime scene photos on this site. I think it would  go unsaid that you please not distribute these unless you ask me. What you will  see is the last photo of my father ever taken.

  

 You  will also see the FBI Policy Manual on Hijacking that governed the FBI agent's  actions. These documents go straight to the heart of the Pilot-In-Command issues  and authority that has eroded over the past decade.

 Additionally you will see the handwritten note from J Edgar Hoover  ordering commendations for the agents in Jacksonville.

 http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3

  

 I have  other info for those that would like to help out.

  

 This  story is not just about my family loss. It goes to every pilot in the sky who  will find themselves being ignored by authorities if they are ever in a  hijacking crisis.

  

 I look  forward to your thoughts.

 Andy  Downs

 615-474-0590

 Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)

 



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor  Hall

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

 

Andy, I have a technical question.  I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane  and looking at the Hat you have.

 You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the  Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.

 You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like  the 690 Turbo Props.

 They look very different.  What is the reason for using the wrong  photo? 

 



 How soon can we expect to see the Movie?

 



 Tylor Hall

 

  On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) wrote:

 [quote]      Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all    on the list support you. Good luck. Jd



Sent from my Verizon Wireless    Phone



   ----- Reply message -----

From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com (andy(at)58November.com)>

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject:    Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Date: Sat, Mar 30,    2013 10:11 am



   Tom    & the Commander Group,

    

   I    appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943    . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not    happen again.

    

   I do    hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a    reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different.    As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck    Rogers"

    

   This    is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in    Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC    tapes and some of my father's last known words.

   You    will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the    screen

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs

    

   If    any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love    to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward    County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future    A&P's

    

   If    any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your    support

    

   Thanks,

   Andy    Downs

   615-474-0590

   Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)

   http://58November.com

    



         From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)    [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom    Fisher

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject:    Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

   

   Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site    and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.

   I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun    wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your    endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like.

   Tom

   (500B)

   (680FLP (Mr.RPM))

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andy(at)58November.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:51 pm Post subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

One note, this url I sent you  http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3

 does not have my father's picture in it. The pictures are of the victim Susan Gogge and the Hijacker George Giffe

  

 It also contain emails with FBI-FOIA officials, FBI policy  manuals and FBI memos from J Edgar Hoover.

  

 This  url address contains two picture of the 681 Commander and the bullet holes  through the windshield next to where my father was killed.

 http://imgur.com/a/P8XwN

 Andy

 



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor  Hall

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

 

Andy, I have a technical question.  I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane  and looking at the Hat you have.

 You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the  Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.

 You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like  the 690 Turbo Props.

 They look very different.  What is the reason for using the wrong  photo? 

 



 How soon can we expect to see the Movie?

 



 Tylor Hall

 

  On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) wrote:

 [quote]      Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all    on the list support you. Good luck. Jd



Sent from my Verizon Wireless    Phone



   ----- Reply message -----

From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com (andy(at)58November.com)>

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject:    Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Date: Sat, Mar 30,    2013 10:11 am



   Tom    & the Commander Group,

    

   I    appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943    . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not    happen again.

    

   I do    hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a    reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different.    As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck    Rogers"

    

   This    is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in    Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC    tapes and some of my father's last known words.

   You    will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the    screen

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs

    

   If    any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love    to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward    County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future    A&P's

    

   If    any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your    support

    

   Thanks,

   Andy    Downs

   615-474-0590

   Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)

   http://58November.com

    



         From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)    [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom    Fisher

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject:    Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

   

   Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site    and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.

   I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun    wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your    endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like.

   Tom

   (500B)

   (680FLP (Mr.RPM))

   [quote]     ---

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andy(at)58November.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:55 pm Post subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

This  private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene photos, FBi  files ,etc on my father's case.

 This  url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681  Commander

 http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9

  

 Andy



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor  Hall

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

 

Andy, I have a technical question.  I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane  and looking at the Hat you have.

 You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the  Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.

 You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like  the 690 Turbo Props.

 They look very different.  What is the reason for using the wrong  photo? 

 



 How soon can we expect to see the Movie?

 



 Tylor Hall

 

  On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) wrote:

 [quote]      Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all    on the list support you. Good luck. Jd



Sent from my Verizon Wireless    Phone



   ----- Reply message -----

From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com (andy(at)58November.com)>

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject:    Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Date: Sat, Mar 30,    2013 10:11 am



   Tom    & the Commander Group,

    

   I    appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943    . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not    happen again.

    

   I do    hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a    reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different.    As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck    Rogers"

    

   This    is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in    Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC    tapes and some of my father's last known words.

   You    will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the    screen

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs

    

   If    any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love    to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward    County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future    A&P's

    

   If    any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your    support

    

   Thanks,

   Andy    Downs

   615-474-0590

   Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)

   http://58November.com

    



         From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)    [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom    Fisher

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject:    Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

   

   Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site    and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.

   I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun    wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your    endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like.

   Tom

   (500B)

   (680FLP (Mr.RPM))

   [quote]     ---

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to the benefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the Brooklyn Bridge, I agree that would be inappropriate, but to have a blanket ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just don't respond and move on. 

I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the list. One day someone might just put something on the list that someone else is looking for, or remember it was offered before. I remember many occasions where this has happened. Struts, instruments, cylinders, propellers, many things have changed hands through this list by folks who advertised their stuff. 

We have Commander sponsors on our website, I invite Commander providers to advertise on the Commander Facebook page; it's what makes the world go around. 

So, there is my speech.

 

PS. You wanna piece of the Brooklyn bridge?

 

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:53 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

 

This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case.



This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681 Commander



http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9



 



Andy



 



From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Andy, 

I have a technical question.  I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have.



You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560.



You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props.



They look very different.  What is the reason for using the wrong photo? 



 



How soon can we expect to see the Movie?



 



Tylor Hall



 

On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) wrote:



<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><![endif]>

Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd



Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----

From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com (andy(at)58November.com)>

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am



 

Tom & the Commander Group,



 



I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again.



 



I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers"



 



This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words.



You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs



 



If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's



 



If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support



 



Thanks,



Andy Downs



615-474-0590



Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)



http://58November.com



 



 



From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher

Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.



I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like.



Tom



(500B)



(680FLP (Mr.RPM))

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Peter Bichier

Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 103
Location: Toledo, Ohio

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Andy, 



Thank you for sharing such a poignant piece of history, I have indeed read all your posts and would gladly read more. Have you considered writing the full story on a short book, booklet or blog? I see you have one, but I saw bits and pieces but not an entire story put together.



For example I still can't figure out if the hijacker survived or not (it seems that on one of the TV news they were saying he had survived; but you also mentioned he shot himself).



Anyways, my point is that may be the story could start taking off on its own as a book, best seller of sort and then it could be further developed as a documentary.



Sorry for your terrible loss and best regards to your family and you have our support in any ways we can.



If in your research or travel you have to stay close to SFO, let us know, we will gladly take care of you in Santa Cruz (only 1 hr south).



As far as 681 pictures you have to query "Aero Commander" or "Twin Commander" or "Aerocommander" "Rockwell Commander" several picture sites and pick up the 680V, 681, Turbo Commander, 690. I would look in:



For ex at www.airliners.net:



http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-Commander-680V/2041310/L/&sid=55279c8a31cac83a3593e2e55a51dbd6



Check also:



http://jetphotos.net

http://www.planepictures.net

http://www.airplane-pictures.net

http://www.airteamimages.com



Good luck,



Sincerely,



Peter Bichier



   ----- Reply message -----

From: "andy downs" <andy>

To: <commander>

Subject:    Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps

Date: Sat, Mar 30,    2013 10:11 am



   Tom    & the Commander Group,

    

   I    appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943    . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not    happen again.

    

   I do    hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a    reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different.    As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck    Rogers"

    

   This    is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in    Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC    tapes and some of my father's last known words.

   You    will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the    screen

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs

    

   If    any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love    to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward    County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future    A&P's

    

   If    any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your    support

    

   Thanks,

   Andy    Downs

   615-474-0590

   Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com)

   http://58November.com

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