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 Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:03 am Post subject: TR: IFR RVs in the US |
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Hello to all,
I’ve been lurking on the sidelines of this list and have contributed at times during the build time of my RV8 – from France. I have finished the 8 which has been providing me with more joy than I anticipated. What a great airplane.
All would be perfect except that the French and most Europeans do not allow home builts to fly IFR. A few of the RV owners being military and/or professional pilots with full IFR qualifications, with planes very well equipped avionics wise, would like to change this. I have thus taken it upon myself within the context of our French RV builder group to explore the possibility of having the rules changed, at least within the context of French skies.
Since the US FAA does allow experimental built airplanes to fly IFR in the US, my question to the list is : what are the criteria which would allow an RV to be flown IFR by a duly qualified IFR pilot ? Questions which come to mind are :
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Does the engine have to be certified as opposed to a non certified such as Mattituck, Superior, Barret… ?
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>What about maintenance – by certified mechanic or by owner under a certain conditions ?
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Minimum avionics : ex. two radios, VORs, DME, other ?
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Any steam gages ?
<![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Does the owner who does his own maintenance have to acquire specific qualifications ?
Thanks,
Michèle Delsol
RV8 – F-PDSL
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Gary.A.Sobek
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All US Amateur Built Experimental aircraft are issued "Special Airworthiness Certificates" (FAA Form 8130-7) by the FAA Inspector or by a DAR. The "Operating Limitations" that are a part of 8130-7 come right out of FAA Order 8130.2. (Latest version is 8130.2G Change 1)
At the time of the initial Airworthiness Inspection, the aircraft will be limited to DAY VFR or to DAY VFR unless equipped In Accordance With CFR 14 part 91.205 for night or IFR. 91.205 only applies to Standard Category Airplanes but the FAA makes that part apply by the Operating Limitations.
Once the Operating Limitations are issued, it becomes the builder's responsibility to make sure that the aircraft meets 91.205.
I am a Commercial Pilot that is Instrument rated and current. I have and do fly my RV IFR.
Link to FAA Order 8130.2G with Change 1. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/7a09d53fb0d5325586257885004d9e1b/$FILE/8130.2G_CHG1_Incorporated.pdf
The following is the Operating Limitation that is issued that allows IFR in a homebuilt.
After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with § 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only. (7/8 as appropriate)
Hope this helps. Yes I am a DAR with Function Code 46 that allows me to do initial airworthiness inspections on amateur built aircraft.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,726+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
From: mdelsol(at)md-dsl.fr
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: TR: IFR RVs in the US
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:52:17 +0200
Hello to all,
I’ve been lurking on the sidelines of this list and have contributed at times during the build time of my RV8 – from France. I have finished the 8 which has been providing me with more joy than I anticipated. What a great airplane.
All would be perfect except that the French and most Europeans do not allow home builts to fly IFR. A few of the RV owners being military and/or professional pilots with full IFR qualifications, with planes very well equipped avionics wise, would like to change this. I have thus taken it upon myself within the context of our French RV builder group to explore the possibility of having the rules changed, at least within the context of French skies.
Since the US FAA does allow experimental built airplanes to fly IFR in the US, my question to the list is : what are the criteria which would allow an RV to be flown IFR by a duly qualified IFR pilot ? Questions which come to mind are :
· Does the engine have to be certified as opposed to a non certified such as Mattituck, Superior, Barret… ?
· What about maintenance – by certified mechanic or by owner under a certain conditions ?
· Minimum avionics : ex. two radios, VORs, DME, other ?
· Any steam gages ?
· Does the owner who does his own maintenance have to acquire specific qualifications ?
Thanks,
Michèle Delsol
RV8 – F-PDSL
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