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 Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at th |
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Sacha, Where are you located? Dow Corning 730 will work. I have some that I
have had in the refrigerator for awhile. Still seems pliable. I sent some
to someone else with similar problem. I used it to seal fitting to my
header tank also. It was $99 for 3 fl oz from ACS. I can send you enough to
accomplish your project. If it works you can sent me a few bucks. If it
doesn't you'll have to buy a whole tube.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Lloyd
That's a good idea. Trouble is the filer cap is about 8 inches from the
side of the tank. I'm not confident I can get a spanner down there to screw
the locking nut in place. If I give it a try then I might get stuck with a
hole in my tank. So I really need to find out if there's a way to glue this
stuff. The only way I'm aware of is using heat, which is not ideal due to
the presence of gasoline. But maybe there are done adhesives or resins
which might work? I have no idea.
Sacha
On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:53, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net>
wrote:
Sacha,****
Is there any way you might be able to use a bulkhead fitting with seals on
both sides? You could run a wire through the hole you drill out the filler
hole on top so you could slide the seal and washer down the wire in order
to line it up with and get it started on the bulkhead fitting. ****
Just some food for thought.****
** **
lloyd ****
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*From:* owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com<owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com>]
*On Behalf Of *Sacha
*Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:12 PM
*To:* Kitfox List
*Subject:* RE: header tank does not stay full - installing a
fitting at the top of the wing tank****
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Today I went to take a look at my tanks but I realized that (unlike Guys’)
mine are made of plastic, not fiberglass. They are quite thin (the fuel
level can be seen through the tank so a couple of mm max) so that I would
need to glue something on the outside in order to drill a hole and cut
threads in it. But gluing on plastic is bound to be problematic; I’m not
sure what plastic it is, it is slightly “greasy” to the touch, maybe
poly-propylene/ethylene. ****
Does anyone have any experience with this? Can anyone recommend a product
that they have used?****
** **
I was thinking, as an alternative to drilling a hole in the tank for a
return breather line, if I could find some kind of valve that lets air out
but not fuel (e.g. like they have on breather lines for boats), I could
just fit one of those to the header tank and be done with it. ****
** **
Sacha****
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*From:* Guy Buchanan [mailto:gebuchanan(at)cox.net <gebuchanan(at)cox.net>]
*Sent:* Saturday, 28 September, 2013 05:35
*To:* Sacha
*Subject:* Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a
fitting at the top of the wing tank****
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Brass fittings, pipe threads, no backing. You can do 1/4 to 1/8 pipe
adapter and screw the 1/8 pipe fitting into that but you must be *very *careful
cutting the 1/4 threads. It's easy to pop your G-10 plate off. Otherwise
just cut 1/8 pipe threads in the G-10 and screw your fitting right into it.
(It depends on whether you think you'll ever have to remove the fitting for
maintenance. If not, go right into the tank. If you have to do regular
maintenance, use the adapter.) I glued the plates with the 3500 psi acrylic
adhesive you find at the hardware store. If you still have any Hysol laying
around that would be better. (Used on the wing ribs.) The pipe fittings I
sealed with the 2-part polysulfide sealant available from Aircraft Spruce
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at th |
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Hi Pat,
Thanks a lot for that. Unfortunately I’m in Italy so it’s probably not practical to mail it, but it’s a Dow product, so I’m sure I can find some around here somewhere.
Are you recommending it as an adhesive to thicken the tank wall or as a sealant, or both?
Sacha
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly
Sent: Friday, 04 October, 2013 05:31
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at the top of the wing tank
Sacha, Where are you located? Dow Corning 730 will work. I have some that I have had in the refrigerator for awhile. Still seems pliable. I sent some to someone else with similar problem. I used it to seal fitting to my header tank also. It was $99 for 3 fl oz from ACS. I can send you enough to accomplish your project. If it works you can sent me a few bucks. If it doesn't you'll have to buy a whole tube.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com (uuccio(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Lloyd
That's a good idea. Trouble is the filer cap is about 8 inches from the side of the tank. I'm not confident I can get a spanner down there to screw the locking nut in place. If I give it a try then I might get stuck with a hole in my tank. So I really need to find out if there's a way to glue this stuff. The only way I'm aware of is using heat, which is not ideal due to the presence of gasoline. But maybe there are done adhesives or resins which might work? I have no idea.
Sacha
On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:53, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net (7suds(at)Chartermi.net)> wrote:
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Sacha,
Is there any way you might be able to use a bulkhead fitting with seals on both sides? You could run a wire through the hole you drill out the filler hole on top so you could slide the seal and washer down the wire in order to line it up with and get it started on the bulkhead fitting.
Just some food for thought.
lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sacha
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:12 PM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: RE: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at the top of the wing tank
Today I went to take a look at my tanks but I realized that (unlike Guys’) mine are made of plastic, not fiberglass. They are quite thin (the fuel level can be seen through the tank so a couple of mm max) so that I would need to glue something on the outside in order to drill a hole and cut threads in it. But gluing on plastic is bound to be problematic; I’m not sure what plastic it is, it is slightly “greasy” to the touch, maybe poly-propylene/ethylene.
Does anyone have any experience with this? Can anyone recommend a product that they have used?
I was thinking, as an alternative to drilling a hole in the tank for a return breather line, if I could find some kind of valve that lets air out but not fuel (e.g. like they have on breather lines for boats), I could just fit one of those to the header tank and be done with it.
Sacha
From: Guy Buchanan [mailto:gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)]
Sent: Saturday, 28 September, 2013 05:35
To: Sacha
Subject: Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at the top of the wing tank
Brass fittings, pipe threads, no backing. You can do 1/4 to 1/8 pipe adapter and screw the 1/8 pipe fitting into that but you must be very careful cutting the 1/4 threads. It's easy to pop your G-10 plate off. Otherwise just cut 1/8 pipe threads in the G-10 and screw your fitting right into it. (It depends on whether you think you'll ever have to remove the fitting for maintenance. If not, go right into the tank. If you have to do regular maintenance, use the adapter.) I glued the plates with the 3500 psi acrylic adhesive you find at the hardware store. If you still have any Hysol laying around that would be better. (Used on the wing ribs.) The pipe fittings I sealed with the 2-part polysulfide sealant available from Aircraft Spruce. Expensive as hell but it's the only stuff I ever got to work with 100LL.
Guy
On 9/27/2013 7:33 PM, Sacha wrote: | Quote: | | GuyThanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
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| Quote: | | ==========tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List==========Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
0 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
1 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
2 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
3 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
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Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
5 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
6 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
7 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
8 | Quote: | | Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locking nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what did you use as glue/bond for the fitting. |
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:20 pm Post subject: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at th |
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Sacha, With that name, I thought you might not be in the USA. That product
is a sealant. It never really gets hard but is firm enough to hold a
flanged fitting to the tank without reinforcing the tank, especially for a
vent application on the top of the tank. I tried everything to get my
fittings to seal to my plastic header tank. That product is the only one
that worked. I'd recommend and swear by that product. But, it costs!.
P.S. It's always nice to see a signature on this sight with location and
Kitfox model, engine etc. .
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Hi Pat, ****
Thanks a lot for that. Unfortunately I’m in Italy so it’s probably not
practical to mail it, but it’s a Dow product, so I’m sure I can find some
around here somewhere. ****
Are you recommending it as an adhesive to thicken the tank wall or as a
sealant, or both?****
Sacha****
** **
*From:* owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Reilly
*Sent:* Friday, 04 October, 2013 05:31
*To:* kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a
fitting at the top of the wing tank****
** **
Sacha, Where are you located? Dow Corning 730 will work. I have some that
I have had in the refrigerator for awhile. Still seems pliable. I sent some
to someone else with similar problem. I used it to seal fitting to my
header tank also. It was $99 for 3 fl oz from ACS. I can send you enough to
accomplish your project. If it works you can sent me a few bucks. If it
doesn't you'll have to buy a whole tube.****
****
Pat Reilly****
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt****
Rockford, IL ****
** **
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Sacha <uuccio(at)gmail.com> wrote:****
Lloyd****
That's a good idea. Trouble is the filer cap is about 8 inches from the
side of the tank. I'm not confident I can get a spanner down there to screw
the locking nut in place. If I give it a try then I might get stuck with a
hole in my tank. So I really need to find out if there's a way to glue this
stuff. The only way I'm aware of is using heat, which is not ideal due to
the presence of gasoline. But maybe there are done adhesives or resins
which might work? I have no idea. ****
Sacha****
On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:53, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)Chartermi.net>
wrote:****
Sacha,****
Is there any way you might be able to use a bulkhead fitting with seals on
both sides? You could run a wire through the hole you drill out the filler
hole on top so you could slide the seal and washer down the wire in order
to line it up with and get it started on the bulkhead fitting. ****
Just some food for thought.****
****
lloyd ****
****
*From:* owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com<owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com>]
*On Behalf Of *Sacha
*Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:12 PM
*To:* Kitfox List
*Subject:* RE: header tank does not stay full - installing a
fitting at the top of the wing tank****
****
Today I went to take a look at my tanks but I realized that (unlike Guys’)
mine are made of plastic, not fiberglass. They are quite thin (the fuel
level can be seen through the tank so a couple of mm max) so that I would
need to glue something on the outside in order to drill a hole and cut
threads in it. But gluing on plastic is bound to be problematic; I’m not
sure what plastic it is, it is slightly “greasy” to the touch, maybe
poly-propylene/ethylene. ****
Does anyone have any experience with this? Can anyone recommend a product
that they have used?****
****
I was thinking, as an alternative to drilling a hole in the tank for a
return breather line, if I could find some kind of valve that lets air out
but not fuel (e.g. like they have on breather lines for boats), I could
just fit one of those to the header tank and be done with it. ****
****
Sacha****
****
*From:* Guy Buchanan [mailto:gebuchanan(at)cox.net <gebuchanan(at)cox.net>]
*Sent:* Saturday, 28 September, 2013 05:35
*To:* Sacha
*Subject:* Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a
fitting at the top of the wing tank****
****
Brass fittings, pipe threads, no backing. You can do 1/4 to 1/8 pipe
adapter and screw the 1/8 pipe fitting into that but you must be *very *careful
cutting the 1/4 threads. It's easy to pop your G-10 plate off. Otherwise
just cut 1/8 pipe threads in the G-10 and screw your fitting right into it.
(It depends on whether you think you'll ever have to remove the fitting for
maintenance. If not, go right into the tank. If you have to do regular
maintenance, use the adapter.) I glued the plates with the 3500 psi acrylic
adhesive you find at the hardware store. If you still have any Hysol laying
around that would be better. (Used on the wing ribs.) The pipe fittings I
sealed with the 2-part polysulfide sealant available from Aircraft Spruce
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