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jjessen
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm?
John Jessen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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Grumman Tiger
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Which certified, old or
new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around?
Seating, performance,
handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think?
Hmmmm?
John Jessen
40328
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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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Two Harmon Rockets... (with heel cups & wing lockers. Yea, and ya can build two for the price of one) KABONG 8*) Do Not Archive
OR (Early Mooney, Maule, Stinson, TBM/TBF Avenger [except for the fuel] )
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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4-seat Bonanza, from everything I have heard and seen.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:44 PM
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Subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10?
A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm?
John Jessen
40328
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dmaib@me.com
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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I own and fly a 4 seat 1958 J-35 Bonanza. It has a 260 hp Continental IO-470-N and is a good airplane. BUT, with four adults and 20 lbs of luggage each, I can only carry about 25 gallons of fuel! Gross weight and aft CG problem. I have GAMI injectors and run LOP and can get about 165 knots TAS on 11.5 gph. I think the RV-10 handily beats the Bonanza on all of those counts. The complexity and expense of retractable gear, the time consuming annual (we do our own annuals), and the expense of Raytheon parts are another downside. It has been a great airplane and my wife and I have traveled to both coasts and lots of places in between in it, but we are really looking forward to our RV-10.
David and Mary Maib
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On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
4-seat Bonanza, from everything I have heard and seen.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of John JessenSent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:44 PMTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10?
A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm?
John Jessen
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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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I own a PA 28-235...it is certainly slower--130 kts or so, fixed gear, O 540, will haul more than 1/2 metric ton, with 84 gallons on board, 4 seat albeit smaller cabin and will go for a long distance whether with 4 on board or lots of stuff, burn about the same amount of fuel per hour at the RV 10 but doing 40-50 kts less per hour, this is also true for the C 182 but it's a good hauler but breezy due to the door and seals, generally.
I don't see the Tiger as in the same class at the RV 10...good speed but useful load and distance are not in the same area...plus you've got the purple goop issue to consider on the early laminate wings. Both Piper's, Van's and Cessna are all metal and riveted fixed gear products...Bo's, Mooney's, Commander's, Arrow's etc in the higher performance planes have retractable legs...increasing annual costs and maintenance issues. Leg's down keeps it simpler but usually slower.
Patrick
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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I agree, but he said “closest”. My uncle flies a Bonanza and we stopped by to see him recently. The cruise numbers were as close and efficient as the -10 of any plane I have seen. Yes, the complexity and cost of the retract makes this possible yet let desirable. With 4 adults, 80lbs of baggage and only 25 gallons you will likely be close to an AFT CG problem in any 4-seat plane, even the -10. Again, it is not as great a plane, IMHO, as the RV-10, but is as close as they come. When you look at a Cirrus with all of it’s fame, you get a full-fuel useful load of around 650 Lbs, which really makes it a 3-seat plane to get the same range, and it needs a LOT more airfield to get that. The 182 carries a lot, but doesn’t go as fast. Both of these will burn a lot more fuel getting the same distance. The only thing I hear people say about a Mooney is that the cabin is very tight/small, but I know very little about them.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:18 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10?
I own and fly a 4 seat 1958 J-35 Bonanza. It has a 260 hp Continental IO-470-N and is a good airplane. BUT, with four adults and 20 lbs of luggage each, I can only carry about 25 gallons of fuel! Gross weight and aft CG problem. I have GAMI injectors and run LOP and can get about 165 knots TAS on 11.5 gph. I think the RV-10 handily beats the Bonanza on all of those counts. The complexity and expense of retractable gear, the time consuming annual (we do our own annuals), and the expense of Raytheon parts are another downside. It has been a great airplane and my wife and I have traveled to both coasts and lots of places in between in it, but we are really looking forward to our RV-10.
David and Mary Maib
#40559
QB wings
On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
4-seat Bonanza, from everything I have heard and seen.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:44 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10?
A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm?
John Jessen
40328
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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I can handily outclimb the cirus sr22,proven on sunday.I think they are about 10 mph faster in cruise-not more than that.They have more amenities and cost350-400 thousand more.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? |
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The SR22 in cruise and not the SR20. The RV10 will certainly outdo the SR20 in performance. Jesse mentions Cirrus, specific to airfield, in either plane he's right about the airfield needed- RV-10 has the Cirrus beaten.
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