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rdhowey(at)telus.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

I'm still working on the empennage of my 8  quick-build kit and am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel  planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing  rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for  group I hope you can help me with.

  

 Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc  (www.deltahawkengines.com)  e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and  requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should  receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the  empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the  timing should work quite well for me given my pace

  

 I have read as much about Deltahawk and their  DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very  complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me  for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel  availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their  web site.

  

 BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate  or two

  

 (1) what about firewall forward  installation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and  muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I  haven't even thought of 

  

 (2) company  viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye

  

 If anybody has any thoughts on this we can  start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or  bad.....the more input the better.

 My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to  Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired  from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't  cost much.. 

  

 Thanks very much...

  

 Ralph Howey

 Delta B.C.

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martin(at)gbonline.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Ralph,

 I have been in business for over 45 years and  anytime I see a request for a large downpayment from a relitivly new  company  for a $5000 downpayment for something that I will not need for l  or 2 years, I become very suspicious.  If their terms demand a large  downpayment for something that you will not need for at least one or two years,  I would suggest that you keep your money in the bank earning interest and hold  off untill you are within 6 months of requiring an engine for your  airplane.

 Dick Martin

 RV8 N233M

 the fast one

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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

On 16 Mar 2007, at 20:56, Ralph Howey wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am  

 spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking  

 on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and  

 mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for  

 group I hope you can help me with.



 Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc  

 (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their  

 projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This  

 will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine  

 some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by  

 then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the  

 timing should work quite well for me given my pace




	


If you are still working on your empennage, you are a long way away  

from needing an engine.  If your build goes at the pace of many  

builders, you may not need an engine for several years. The DeltaHawk  

engine has zero service history at the moment.  There will almost  

certainly be changes made as a result of problems experienced in  

service.  If you take delivery of your engine too early, you won't  

get the improvements that are made later.



Will your money be held in escrow, or is there a risk that the  

company could go bankrupt and you lose it?  If it later turns out  

that the engine isn't nearly as good as it is currently claimed to  

be, can you get your money back, or is this a non-refundable deposit?



Having to sort out engine mount, cowling, radiator mount, etc, etc  

will add a lot of complication and cost to the project.  This is OK  

as long was you enjoy this sort of thing, and are in no rush to get  

finished and have cash to burn.  If you are hoping to get flying as  

early as possible, or as cheaply as possible, stick with a Lycoming.



Personally, I would prefer to see a reasonable amount of good service  

history before I committed to something as important and expensive as  

an engine.  Putting $5,000 down now only makes sense if you are  

comfortable with the possibility of having that money be lost.

Kevin Horton         RV-8 (finishing kit)

Ottawa, Canada

http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8

n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Dennis emailed you asking for 5000.00 for an engine to maybe be delivered in two years. ?? I give it a 99.9% chance you will never see that engine or your money.. IMHO 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "Ralph Howey" <rdhowey(at)telus.net> wrote:

 I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you can help me with.

  

 Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me given my pace

  

 I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site.

  

 BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two

  

 (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of 

  

 (2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye

  

 If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the better.

 My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't cost much.. 

  

 Thanks very much...

  

 Ralph Howey

 Delta B.C.

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Go hide your checkbook and credit card(s).  Kevin was right on.  Do you 

want to do all the mods needed to make this work in a proven design like 

RV plus Lycoming type engine?



Fuel availability?  How many airports have diesel?  How will you refuel 

going cross-country?



Get this thought out of your mind for now and ask again in a year.



Even then I would not likely recommend this engine.



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sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

ronlee(at)pcisys.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Go hide your checkbook and credit card(s).  Kevin was right on.  Do you 

 want to do all the mods needed to make this work in a proven design like 

 RV plus Lycoming type engine?


	


Good advice.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Fuel availability?  How many airports have diesel?  How will you refuel 

 going cross-country?


	


No problem here. The aviation diesels burn Jet-A which is one of the 

main appeals of a diesel.



Sam Buchanan

seipel(at)seznam.cz
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

I followed Deltahawk for a long time, with the thought that I wanted to 

put their 200HP inverted engine in my RV-10.  After building for 4 

years, during which Deltahawk continued to say there were "just about to 

start delivering engines", I ordered a lycoming to avoid bringing my 

project to a halt.  I still watch their progress on their webpage.



I think that eventually they'll deliver engines, and that they'll be 

good engines.  They've made a lot of progress in the time I've been 

watching them.  However, this is going to be the big challenge for you:  

Deltahawk is only interested in providing engines.  If you buy an engine 

from them, either someone else has to build the firewall forward for 

you, or you've got to do it yourself.  Don't underestimate the amount of 

engineering that will go into the engine mount, oil system, cooling 

system, etc.



The fact that they want a deposit for something they'll deliver in 2008 

means that they're either assembling the engines extremely slow, or 

they're going to use your money help to pay for the engines they 

promised in 2007.  As we've seen with Direct-2-Avionics, that puts your 

deposit at serious risk if they run out of capital.  My response would 

be different if they were delivering engines like hotcakes; I paid 

Barrett half the cost of my lycoming several months ago, but I'm 

comfortable that he's going to send me an engine when he says he is.



PJ Seipel

RV-10 #40032



Ralph Howey wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and 

 am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking 

 on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and 

 mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for 

 group I hope you can help me with.

  

 Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc 

 (www.deltahawkengines.com <http://www.deltahawkengines.com>) e-mailed 

 me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and 

 requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and 

 I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have 

 completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the 

 wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me 

 given my pace

  

 I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on 

 the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article 

 in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of 

 reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel 

 availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on 

 their web site.

  

 BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two

  

 (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling 

 rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return 

 lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of 

  

 (2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye

  

 If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can 

 e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input 

 the better.

 My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the 

 touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an 

 airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't 

 cost much.. 

  

 Thanks very much...

  

 Ralph Howey

 Delta B.C.

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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

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wdleonard(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Hi Ralph,

  

 You have read some good advise so far an I agree with most of it.  A company that has been 1 year away from delivering engines for the last 5 years and is still not delivering engines does not deserve $5000 of your hard earned money.  A good faith deposit is one thing, but you (as a builder) are not in the business of providing investment capitol.  DH should take smaller deposits and use them to convince the bank that their engines will sell. 

  

 That being said, I sure hope they make it.  Being a fan of alternate engine choices I followed DH for a couple of years but wanted to get started long before they were ready.  I looked at their site last night for the first time in years and am very impressed.  The engineering and flight data is new and particularly impressive.  If I had to guess, $5000 put down now would eventually see an engine at your door....  but maybe not in 2008. 

  

 Anyway, I wanted to address your concerns about FF fabrication, having done it for my rotary RV-6.  That stuff is not harder than the other systems you develop in building an RV.  I spent about 2-3 months of my build time (couple half-day/week type thing)  on the engine mount, and 2 more months on cooler placement and I keep changing the cowl.  The nice thing for you with the DH is that the intake and exhaust manifolds are already done, same with the fuel, oil, injector, and electrical systems around the engine.  Those were some of the hardest parts of my installation.  Of course, I am still tinkering and making changes while the lyc guys are buzzing my house...  but by 'next year' I should have it all worked out   

 

David Leonard



Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY

My websites at:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html

 http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html

http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com 

 

 On 3/16/07, Ralph Howey <rdhowey(at)telus.net (rdhowey(at)telus.net)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		    I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you can help me with. 

  

 Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www.deltahawkengines.com ) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me given my pace 

  

 I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site. 

  

 BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two

  

 (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of  

  

 (2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye

  

 If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the better.

 My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't cost much..  

  

 Thanks very much...

  

 Ralph Howey

 Delta B.C.

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

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		   > Fuel availability?  How many airports have diesel?  How will you 

refuel 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > going cross-country?

 

 No problem here. The aviation diesels burn Jet-A which is one of the 

 main appeals of a diesel.

 

 Sam Buchanan




	


Thanks Sam.  I did not know that.  Of course there is no Jet A at my 

airport.  



Ron Lee



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seiders(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

No way would I put $5000 down. Don't know why any firm needs a deposit before taking delivery on other than a special custom order. 

 Dick RV6A



 

 At 08:56 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you can help me with.

  

 Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me given my pace

  

 I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site.

  

 BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two

  

 (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of 

  

 (2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye

  

 If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the better.

 My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't cost much.. 

  

 Thanks very much...

  

 Ralph Howey

 Delta B.C.

deruiteraircraftservices(
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Hi guys,

  

 Apologies to butt in on this topic.

  

 I must say I live across the Atlantic, we don't  have as much freedom here to change what we want on our aeroplanes due to the  need of some authoritive figures wanting to tell what you can or can't  do.

  

 I have been on this list for quite a few years now  and have seen many 'new' engines come and go or be a major disappoinment, either  by the lack of permance or their integration with the RV airframe. Think the  Thielert Diesels, conversion cost some $20K over new Lyco price and cut in  performance to save a $$ on fuel. Maybe their new offering is  better?

  

 Can some try to explain what is so attractive to an  engine that has an unknown service history, unknown performance and to top all,  is often more costlier when the full installation is completed?

  

 I personally don't see much sense in for example  the Superior engines, the difference with genuine Lycoming is very small and a  full service record has still to be established. I know their parts are  authorized to be used on cert Lycomings, but that's still different in my book  to an entire engine built of those parts.

 Part of this doubt may be caused by the way parts  are sold and kept here in Europe, but seeing the RV is pretty much a travelling  aeroplane, it make sense to me to stick to something 'standard' as Murphy says  your aeroplane will only break away from base. What better than being able to  walk straight to the nearest mechano and say: my Lyco has packed in , help  please. The mechano will see something he familiar with, the engine gets fixed  and you're on your way again.

  

 If you already have reservations about putting down  a deposit, what is it going to be when you actually need parts for your  engine? I mean I can understand the factory's position by trying to generate a  cashflow, but it doesn't look good if some of their machines break down or  something alike. If they only sell production slots now, how long before they  have time to do a couple of runs of spares?

  

 I know this may not be the most optimistic approach  to something like this, I have been running a repair shop specialising in repair  of homebuilts, but the most frequent customers are those with alternative  engines, composite designs etc.

  

  

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

RAS,

  

 Your well reasoned  and considered argument for stasis is logical, but logic and common sense is  only a small part of the decision equation.  Progress, improvements and  advancements occur only because individuals, against all good logic and common  sense decide they want to try the newest, greatest, fastest, shiniest,  coolest.  In making that decision we already know there are going to be a  few "Affordable Turbines" in the lot, but that's the price of progress.   Some are willing to risk their time, effort and money on the oft chance that the  newest, latest and greatest is just that.

  

 But for the  willingness to try different things, we would all be driving American-built cars  that were good for 50,000 mile (maybe) before they were a pile of junk (remember  the '70s and '80s?).  Now, American-built cars, after responding to  foreign competition, are good for 100,000 before they need a tune-up.   This came about simply because a large number of people said the status quo is  not good enough.  Progress comes in fits and start and is rarely a pretty  process, but it never occurs unless people are willing to buck the system and  take chances.

  

 In the end, its  probably a cultural thing.  It's why in the U.S. we have many  breakthroughs, and many abject failures...but always a subset of people  willing to try the new and unknown.

  

 Now, with that said,  I would hesistate to put down a $5,000 deposit on an engine of an unknown  level of development and uncertain future, unless I gave the money a proper  going away party and with expectation that we are unlikely to meet up again in  the future. 

  

 Chuck Jensen 



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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Funny, you didn't mention a thing about the 3 Lycoming crankshaft recalls, the cranks that have killed 15 or more humans so far, and caused untold millions of lost revenue for the operators of those "certified" engines. The latest recall, actually they are now calling it an "early retirement" of cranks and the customer gets to eat most of the cost of their poor business practices. Granted the alternative engine market is not the best either but the true intent of the homebuilt /  experimental plane avenue is to push the envelope and find better stuff. The very thing  "certified" planes cannot do.   IMHO 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices(at)btinternet.com> wrote:

  Hi guys,

  

 Apologies to butt in on this topic.

  

 I must say I live across the Atlantic, we don't have as much freedom here to change what we want on our aeroplanes due to the need of some authoritive figures wanting to tell what you can or can't do.

  

 I have been on this list for quite a few years now and have seen many 'new' engines come and go or be a major disappoinment, either by the lack of permance or their integration with the RV airframe. Think the Thielert Diesels, conversion cost some $20K over new Lyco price and cut in performance to save a $$ on fuel. Maybe their new offering is better?

  

 Can some try to explain what is so attractive to an engine that has an unknown service history, unknown performance and to top all, is often more costlier when the full installation is completed?

  

 I personally don't see much sense in for example the Superior engines, the difference with genuine Lycoming is very small and a full service record has still to be established. I know their parts are authorized to be used on cert Lycomings, but that's still different in my book to an entire engine built of those parts.

 Part of this doubt may be caused by the way parts are sold and kept here in Europe, but seeing the RV is pretty much a travelling aeroplane, it make sense to me to stick to something 'standard' as Murphy says your aeroplane will only break away from base. What better than being able to walk straight to the nearest mechano and say: my Lyco has packed in , help please. The mechano will see something he familiar with, the engine gets fixed and you're on your way again.

  

 If you already have reservations about putting down a deposit, what is it going to be when you actually need parts for your engine? I mean I can understand the factory's position by trying to generate a cashflow, but it doesn't look good if some of their machines break down or something alike. If they only sell production slots now, how long before they have time to do a couple of runs of spares?

  

 I know this may not be the most optimistic approach to something like this, I have been running a repair shop specialising in repair of homebuilts, but the most frequent customers are those with alternative engines, composite designs etc.

  

  

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lors01(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  RAS, It's the Romance man!  

  

 I would not put down $5k on this thing either but that's a different  matter.  To some of us, there is an irresistible  appeal to  having something different under the cowl, especially if it offers some  advantages.  Just cruising along hearing that very alien sound from an  engine installation of your own design adds a whole new dimension to flying for  some of us. 

  

 Tracy Crook

 Mazda 13B powered RV-4 1600+ hrs

 Mazda 20B powered RV-8 (still waiting on Bluemountain  EFIS1)

  

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deruiteraircraftservices(
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Engine

Ben,

  

 The point I was trying to make that like for like  purchase price does not give enough of a difference to really justify a lot of  the experimentation with non Lycoming engines on RV's. The prices for the  Lycomings through Van's make it very difficult for any company to be really  competitive. I don't think that couple of thousand is truly enough. I know that  with the Superior you can just bolt on when it comes to an RV, however you do  loose the SB and AD warnings.

  

 here in Europe Thielert has been marketing their  Centurion Engine. Nice story aout the 15litre or so fuel burn, what it doesn't  say though in the bold advertising print that you get a reduction of 300LBS or  thereabout on your C172 or PA28. Now, in my book that's a hell of trade off. The  engine conversion cost for said aircraft is around £45,000, read this pounds not  dollars! Must a complain about the odd inconvenience of a SB or AD even if it  does cost $2,000 to replace a crankshaft? Me thinks not.

  

 With regards to the last 3 recalls re: crankshafts,  there's not one engine hit by all three 

  

 You mention the millions of lost revenue, how much  would have been lost if the superior engines would have been certified when they  had the recall on cylinders? Last time I looked engines don't run equelly well  without either a crank or the cylinders....

  

 The human life is always and will always be a  tragedy. Compliance with SB and AD is paramount to try and avoid loss of  life. That's what they're there for, even though some think it's just a  money spinner. However improper produced parts are a risk. Rather than  complain about the cost and annoyance of compliance, carry them out and make  sure those who died did not do so in vane.

  

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 Marcel

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