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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts about

the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues,

picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc

etc.



Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl.

Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts,

refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of

other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. 



I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and

confirms there is no product support.



1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?

  

2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled

with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why isn't

Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a "cowl

mount overhaul kit"? 



Hell lets not stop there.  How about...



3.  Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush replacement

kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul kit",

"Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.  



I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of

these kits and many others.



Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask:  Are spares

available?



Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really

want Aerostar to be successful.



Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking

something?

rkent(at)wlacrussianeng.c
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Jorgen,



 	  Quote: 	
		  From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required. As a

business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the
	


first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these

T-slot bushes missing.

As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you

will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals,

circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although not

all) trim parts.



Regards



Rob Kent

Stores Manager

WLAC - Russian Engineering

www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk



Tel: +44 1628 829 165

Fax: +44 1628 825 975

Mob: +44 7842 964 358

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pilko2(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Jorgen........ go get a life !

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

I definately have to say, for 50 parts Rob has had them when I could not

find them anywhere else and needed them yesterday!

Just wish the shipping across the pond were a little cheaper. Guess we all

have to pay the cost of increased fuel cost though one way or another.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Rob Kent <rkent(at)wlacrussianeng.co.uk>

 To: YAK USA LIST <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/17/2007 2:36:12 AM

 Subject: Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits



 



 Jorgen,



 >From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required.

As a
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the

 first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these

 T-slot bushes missing.

 As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you

 will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals,

 circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although

not
	


[quote] all) trim parts.



 Regards



 Rob Kent

 Stores Manager

 WLAC - Russian Engineering

 www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk



 Tel: +44 1628 829 165

 Fax: +44 1628 825 975

 Mob: +44 7842 964 358

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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Agreed doc.  Every time I have asked Rob for something he has had it - and

have previously paid more in shipping than for the parts for something of

lowish value.



Rob yes thank.  I was reflecting on the view in the states that the guys

were talking about, and also product support directly from Aerostar, and

through their dealers.  



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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Got one thanks.  You?



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Actually I think Jorgen makes a very good point.  



It is not reasonable to ask that kind of money for an aircraft that is

not certified and has no support program what-so-ever in this country,

and does not go out of their way to support products that they have sold

in the past.  



This is not to say that I believe they are bad people.  Every single

instance where I have had contact with them, they have been as helpful

as they are physically able to be and I truly consider them to be "good

folk", but the fact remains that a Cessna Parts Center they are

not....which is part of the package when you are paying 50-80 thousand

dollars for an airplane, or even 120,000.  What I mean by that is that

when you are getting an airplane as good as a YAK-52 for under 100,000

dollars, then NOT having support is part of the price you have to pay in

order to get an airplane that good, that cheaply. 



In my humble opinion though... When you pass 1/4 MILLION for an

airplane, you better start producing not only a wonderful airplane, but

a parts program and service center to stand behind it, and I am not even

mentioning "certification".   



Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about

the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages.  The proof of the

pudding will be in the sales.  



Never-the-less.....   YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ???   My choice would be

the latter.  



Mark Bitterlich

N50YK



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Yooh Mark,

Now you are talking! A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would fold it's feet! 

You get 1000 mi at >200 kts all behind that wonderful M-14!

If I did not already have two "good deals", I would be looking at a Rocket!

Have difinately introduce a couple of potential RV builders to the Radial

Rocket after they flew with me in the 52 taking in the ambiance of the

radial! Just wish I had the patience to build but I'm to old for that! Only

a limited number of heartbeats and I would rather waste them with air under

my ass than picking sheet metal slivers! 

Doc



[quote] Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about

 the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages.  The proof of the

 pudding will be in the sales.  



 Never-the-less.....   YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ???   My choice would be

 the latter.  



 Mark Bitterlich

 N50YK



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

The "factory built" demo Radial Rocket recently sold on the open market.

Had all the modern avionics and "other stuff" that was recently listed

on the new TW.  It sold for less than the TW asking prices, thus my

comparison.  Agreed, it would be nice if the gear retracted... But then

consider the savings in insurance because it does not!  The 50 will out

turn and out perform the Rocket in a dogfight... But not in a straight

line!  Wow is that thing FAST!  



Mark

 



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netmaster15(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

HI Mark,  

Doyou have any idea as to the actual sale price of the Radial Rocket?. Did you ever get -to fly it?  I''ve got a brand new PF in the crate, in reserve for that little screamer. What prop did they hang on it when it sold? 

Regards,      CLIFF 

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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



The "factory built" demo Radial Rocket recently sold on the open market.

Had all the modern avionics and "other stuff" that was recently listed

on the new TW.  It sold for less than the TW asking prices, thus my

comparison.  Agreed, it would be nice if the gear retracted... But then

consider the savings in insurance because it does not!  The 50 will out

turn and out perform the Rocket in a dogfight... But not in a straight

line!  Wow is that thing FAST!  



Mark

 



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Haven't really looked at the Yak List before and while doing so today came across this thread and noted the comments about the Radial Rocket.



The factory prototype was not sold. As the OSH and SNF 2007 approached they ran out of time to build a new demo and pulled the prototype off the market.



The factory in addition to a straight kit and quickbuild now offers what they call a roller and super roller.

The rolleris basically the fuselage and wing structurally complete, mated and onthe landing gear. This would put you about 6 months from 1st flight and the super roller is all composite work complete with the plane ready foor sand, prime FWF and systems.



The current kit price is $52,550

Fast build is $66,475

Roller $116,250

Super Roller $135,250



If you build from a kit I estimate for a basic VFR aircraft you can be in the air for about $155,000 out of pocket.



I have about 2100 man hours in mine but bear in mind I have never built anything before and the learning curve, for me, was horrendous



These are not yet advertised on their website but if interested give them a call.



I just completed, late last year, the second flying Radial Rocket with the PF powerplant.



I get 205Knots TAS at 14.5GPH.



Re the landing gear I looked at this at great length and the speed benefit just wasn't there to justify the extra weight, cost, and insurance expense.



Re parts and service. From the airframes standpoint there isn't any component you couldn't fabricate or repair yourself in a well equipped RV builders shop. Once you have the kit you really do not need the factory which given the history of most kit manufacturers was important to me.



The factory website is  

http://www.radialrocket.com/



You can see photos of mine at

http://www.excaliburaviation.com/default.asp?menuID=

just watch the homepage slideshow.



You can download a performance spreadsheet at

http://www.excaliburaviation.com/album_frame.asp?forum=open&menuID=8~8 by going to the radial rocket or m14 forum on this site.

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Milt

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Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

I think it also is a parts price issue. Some of the cost for the items for an uncertified airplane are astronomical! One nice thing about the FAA rules here in the states is that we can make most of the parts!



Since I cannot find a replacement for my main bottle, one will be made that will ultimately be better AND cheaper. I think the folks across the pond in the FSU underestimate our ability to adapt and overcome. They may price themselves out of business. 



I was recently sent pictures of what is arguably the nicest piston powered Yak  in the world! What makes it nicer is that it is a Yak-50. The air system on the airplane is totally new and is a work of art. Very little of the original equipment was left. Shows what some ingenuity can accomplish. The rest of the airplane is equally stunning.

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

Yepper, it is going to be the 1st 150 K +  YAK-50.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50(at)msn.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 3/20/2007 8:55:10 PM

 Subject: Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits

 I think it also is a parts price issue. Some of the cost for the items

for an uncertified airplane are astronomical! One nice thing about the FAA

rules here in the states is that we can make most of the parts!

 	  Quote: 	

 Since I cannot find a replacement for my main bottle, one will be made

that will ultimately be better AND cheaper. I think the folks across the

pond in the FSU underestimate our ability to adapt and overcome. They may

price themselves out of business. 

 	  Quote: 	

 I was recently sent pictures of what is arguably the nicest piston

powered Yak  in the world! What makes it nicer is that it is a Yak-50. The

air system on the airplane is totally new and is a work of art. Very little

of the original equipment was left. Shows what some ingenuity can

accomplish. The rest of the airplane is equally stunning.

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