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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: SNF Near Miss Radio ops |
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Guys,
I know this is getting to be a pretty dusty dead horse but….I did not see anything mentioned about the NORDO procedures for getting the wingman back on freq or to confirm that the wingie was truly NORDO not just lost in space.
Did lead rock 2 in and give him the hand signals for Nordo and attempt to get him back on freq. Did 2 give the HEFOE signals for NORDO while in fingertip so Lead could verify he was truly NORDO?
If a flight member was truly NORDO, the lead should have cleared off the other element to do their own element recovery and keep 2 with him. Lead should have lead 2 into the pattern clearing the flight paths of both aircraft and executing the necessary radio calls for both aircraft. Announcing to all on freq or the tower if it exist that 2 is NORDO. They fly a closed pattern with lead giving the lead to 2 on downwind and flying chase for 2 through the base turn and on final again being the parrot for 2 making all the radio calls and helping with clearing the airspace to get 2 in. The other option is fly the straight in with lead in chase position making the radio calls. Not to practical in the uncontrolled environment though. You have to clear the airspace for the injured or NORDO bird. This incidently is how we should treat a injured bird with other mechanical problems. If 2 really has a problem, then lead should offer lead to the aircraft with the problem and fly backup for the bent airplane. Backing him up on the check list, being an additional lookout, backing up the navigation, and making the necessary radio calls. This obviously is not all done while in fingertip.
Anyway, back to the NORDO A/C, after dropping off 2, then lead flies a closed pattern for a standard recovery. Would this have helped at Leward, maybe, I do not know since I was not there.
It just struck me that lead said that he assumed that 2 could hear but not transmit secondary to the bleed over RF when 2 transmitted off freq. Did 2 give lead the HEFOE signals for NORDO can’t transmit (the hand waived up and down infront of the mouth)? Two, how do you get lead’s attention that you have a problem if lead is not paying attention to his flight for whatever reason or you realize that this radio is real quit and it should not be. Did you pull acute to him in fingertip or route and put your fist on the top of the canopy (on your forehead as stated in the old RPA manual) or waggle your wings while in acute position if lead can’t figure out why you put you fist up on the top of you canopy or your forehead?
If 2 really could not talk to the flight, then that is cause to KO the sortie and sort out the problem. Break up the 4 ship into elements recovering as 2 ships with lead flying chase for the problem bird. A 4 ship overhead break was probably not the way to have gotten everyone onto the ground without incident.
Atleast as I remember, that is the way we would bring a problem bird home that is NORDO or that has a different problem. That is not written in concrete though. Lead should give the problem bird the opportunity to take the lead and allow the problem bird the privilage of shaking that lead off if the problem is such that he has enough to do to just fly the airplane. If that is the case give him the room and support to manage the problem and RTB safely. Taking a problem bird into the break may not help anyone out and lead to worse problems. We do not do that in AF (and I’m sure some will not want to hear that is the way we did it in the Mil back when..but I said it anyway to hopefully stimulate some thought on what will save someone’s but one day).
I’ve already gone through the bent bird routine with a lead that neither gave the courtesy of offering the lead nor flying chase. Then lead wanted to fly an ovehead break. Sorry dude, I did not close it up because my engine liked staying at 70% and did not misfire jaring my eye teeth at that setting. I just was not real comfortable jokeying the throttle in finger tip and I really would have liked to have landed first but that discussion was had after the sortie was over since I landed #2.
Guess we could do a there I was story for the rag on that one also….
Alittle verbose, sorry. Also made with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Doc
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