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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:21 am Post subject: Gas leak

I am currently getting close to having a DAR come  out and hopefully give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with  fuel and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in  preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak coming out  from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and apparently those guys in  the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.

  

 Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get  these things in the air. Oh well move on I guess.

  

 Wayne Edgerton #40336

  

 getting closer (I think)

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: Gas leak

You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not know.  Use Loctite 290.  It works wonders.  I had the same issue with my QB wings.

On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:

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		  I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.

 

Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the air. Oh well move on I guess.

 

Wayne Edgerton #40336

 

getting closer (I think)

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: Gas leak

I'm preparing to test my QB tanks.  Any hints on what/where to look?  

Did other QB wing people test the tanks?



I intend to use a fuel seal product on the sender unit instead of 

Pro-seal.  I understand that the fuel seal products are designed to seal 

while remaining pliable enough to be removed later.



Rob Kermanj wrote:

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		   You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not 

 know.  Use Loctite 290.  It works wonders.  I had the same issue with 

 my QB wings.



 On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:



> I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully 

> give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel 

> and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates 

> in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas 

> leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing 

> and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.

>  

> Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in 

> the air. Oh well move on I guess.

>  

> Wayne Edgerton #40336

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> getting closer (I think)

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: Gas leak

Wayne it is a great idea to retest your tanks before primer and topcoat.  It can be a heartbreaker to see the stains develop through the finish when proseal can be placed at the errant rivet to mitigate the QB workmanship.  Remember that the wing is going to do a lot of flexing and can break most sealing agents loose with just reasonable future flights.  

   

John Cox #600  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton

 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:21 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Gas leak  

  

     

I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.  

    

   

    

Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the air. Oh well move on I guess.  

    

   

    

Wayne Edgerton #40336  

    

   

    

getting closer (I think)  

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john_rv10(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: Gas leak

Wayne,  

   

Did you just apply the Loctite 290 to the outside of the offending rivet and let it seep into the joint, or did you do something else?  

   

Thanks,  

John Cleary  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj

 Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 9:44 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Gas leak  

  

   

You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not know. Use Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with my QB wings.    

       

On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:  

  



 

     

I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.  

    

Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the air. Oh well move on I guess.  

    

Wayne Edgerton #40336  

    

getting closer (I think)  

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: Gas leak

John, this is Rob.  i will send you the Loctite Data sheet to your email address so you can read it.  Basically, you put a drop on the rivet, come back the next day and find that the stuff is still liquid and wonder what the heck?

The liquid seeps around the rivet and will solidify where there is no air.  If the rivet is leaking on the bottom and you have gas in the tank, I suggest that you empty it.  However read the directions.



n May 9, 2007, at 4:47 PM, RV_10 wrote:

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Wayne,

 

Did you just apply the Loctite 290 to the outside of the offending rivet and let it seep into the joint, or did you do something else?

 

Thanks,

John Cleary

 



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Rob KermanjSent: Wednesday, 9 May 2007 9:44 PMTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Gas leak



 

You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not know. Use Loctite 290. It works wonders. I had the same issue with my QB wings.

 

On May 9, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:

I am currently getting close to having a DAR come out and hopefully give me his blessings. A few days ago I filled the tanks with fuel and yesterday I was under the wing taking off the inspection plates in preparation for the DAR and, you guessed it, I found a small gas leak coming out from one if the rivets. This is a quick build wing and apparently those guys in the Philippines didn't do a good tanks test.



Oh the trials and tribulations we go through to get these things in the air. Oh well move on I guess.



Wayne Edgerton #40336



getting closer (I think)

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carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: Gas leak

Recommend using proseal on the senders.  I have heard of others using fuel

lube on the senders, but they started leaking with time.  Odds are the leak

will start right after you get done painting!  If you need to pull a sender,

it is not too hard running a putty knife under the proseal to get it out.



For that matter, I flew my RV-8A the first 100 hours with just the

fiberglass painted (a quick one coat garage job).  No fuel leaks until just

before taking the plane down for final painting.  At that point I found one

rivet on the rear baffle of the left tank weeping fuel.  Easy to fix before

paint - a pain afterward.  I'll fly my RV-10 for at least 100 hours before

final paint.



Carl Froehlich



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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: Gas leak

Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should  remove the tank and then turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending  rivet and then let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people  did?

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Gas leak

The posts/info that I recall reading on this topic also suggested that 

you put a 'weak' vacuum on the tank to try and draw the Locktite into 

the leak area. HOWEVER, that advice also came with a STRONG warning to 

be careful and NOT collapse the tanks by putting too great a vacuum to it.



Deems Davis # 406

Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )

http://deemsrv10.com/



Wayne Edgerton wrote:

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		   Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then 

 turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then 

 let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: Gas leak

Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did not have to remove the tank.  My luck did not last long though.  Shortly after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate the removal, cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.

do not archive.



On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:

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		  Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?

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mritter509(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: Gas leak

I drilled out the leaking rivet prior to painting and replaced it with a 

cherry max rivet dipped in pro seal.  95 hours later no problems.



Mark

N410MR

Austin, TX



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		  From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e(at)grandecom.net>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Gas leak

Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:10:06 -0500



Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then turn 

it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then let it set. 

Is that what you previous leak experience people did?


	


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sam(at)fr8dog.net
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: Gas leak

Was this a QB wing tank? If so,what did Van's have to say?

Thanks,

Sam Marlow



Rob Kermanj wrote:

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		   Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did not 

 have to remove the tank.  My luck did not last long though.  Shortly 

 after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate the removal, 

 cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.



 do not archive.



 On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:



> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and then 

> turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet and then 

> let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience people did?

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: Gas leak

Yes it was QB tank.  They were sympathetic and supplied everything I  

needed for the repair.



Do not archive.



On May 10, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Sam Marlow wrote:



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 Was this a QB wing tank? If so,what did Van's have to say?

 Thanks,

 Sam Marlow



 Rob Kermanj wrote:

> Yes, but of course I was lucky and my leak was on top and I did  

> not have to remove the tank.  My luck did not last long though.   

> Shortly after painting, I discovered other leaks that necessitate  

> the removal, cutting and repairing the inside of the tank.

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> do not archive.

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> On May 10, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote:

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>> Van's assist center, Bruce, told me I should remove the tank and  

>> then turn it over and put the Loctite 290 on the offending rivet  

>> and then let it set. Is that what you previous leak experience  

>> people did?

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Gas leak

What does Van's say about all of these.  It sounds like leaks on a QB wing

is par for the course and well-sealed tanks are the exception.



Do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: Gas leak

I once was the ninty fifth caller on a radio station and qualified to be one 

of 65 people to draw keys out of a fish bowl, one would open the door to a 

924 Porche. I didn't get the right key.



I have a pair of QB wings just waiting to be tested...any bets!!!!!!



WHINEEEEEEER.



[quote]From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Gas leak

Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:07:38 -0400






What does Van's say about all of these.  It sounds like leaks on a QB wing

is par for the course and well-sealed tanks are the exception.



Do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Gas leak

 	  flysrv10(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not know.ï¿½ Use Loctite 290.ï¿½ It works wonders.ï¿½ I had the same issue with my QB wings. 	


I am looking for a source of this product.  Can someone direct me to a supplier?

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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)

Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: Gas leak

Try your local industrial bearing supplier.  Mine keeps it in stock.



Rhonda

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apilot2(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: Gas leak

Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their

(aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket,

Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc.



On 5/23/07, orchidman <gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:

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 flysrv10(at)gmail.com wrote:

 > You did not ask for a fix but I will tell you in case you did not know.ï¿½ Use Loctite 290.ï¿½ It works wonders.ï¿½ I had the same issue with my QB wings.



 I am looking for a source of this product.  Can someone direct me to a supplier?



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 Gary Blankenbiller

 RV10 - # 40674

 (N410GB reserved)

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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Gas leak

 	  apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their

(aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket,

Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc. 	


I found it in the aircraft supply section of Autozone.  Previously in this thread, it was referenced as 'Loctite 290' but all I found was 'Permatex' and their number was PX # 29000.  It is labeled 'Threadlocker Green' and 'Penetrating Formula' so I am sure it is the correct item.

The good news is that today I tested both tanks and they got a green light, no bubbles detected.  This last week I had been baloon testing and they were going down at a VERY slow rate which I attribute to the fact that you blow up a baloon, tie it off and it will still go down over the course of a couple days.  So to go the extra mile, I soaped up the tanks and I am a happy camper  

Gary

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: Gas leak

It is a Locktite product perhaps I said 290 and meant 260.  I am

traveling and do not have the exact information with me but i know it

is a Loctite product.

On 5/27/07, orchidman <gary(at)wingscc.com> wrote:

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 apilot2(at)gmail.com wrote:

 > Your friendly NAPA or Autozone, etc. auto parts store, in their

 > (aircraft) sealant's area. Right along with their Form a gasket,

 > Permatex #2 & #3, epoxies, etc.

 I found it in the aircraft supply section of Autozone.  Previously in this thread, it was referenced as 'Loctite 290' but all I found was 'Permatex' and their number was PX # 29000.  It is labeled 'Threadlocker Green' and 'Penetrating Formula' so I am sure it is the correct item.

 The good news is that today I tested both tanks and they got a green light, no bubbles detected.  This last week I had been baloon testing and they were going down at a VERY slow rate which I attribute to the fact that you blow up a baloon, tie it off and it will still go down over the course of a couple days.  So to go the extra mile, I soaped up the tanks and I am a happy camper [Laughing]

 Gary

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