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neal.george(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Listers -  

  

 I have a new MT prop  governor for sale. 

 $1075,  shipped.

  

 

Neal E.  George 

2023 Everglades  Drive 

Navarre, FL  32566 

Home -  850-515-0640 

Cell -  850-218-4838   

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Why would you sell?  What are you going to run with?  

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George

 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:40 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com; rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: FS: MT Prop Gov  

  

     

Listers -   

    

   

    

I have a new MT prop governor for sale.   

    

$1075, shipped.  

    

   

  

Neal E. George 

 2023 Everglades Drive 

   Navarre, FL 32566 

 Home - 850-515-0640 

 Cell - 850-218-4838     

   

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LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

It would be nice if you listed the MT governor part number.  That way  the correct engine usage could be determined.  Perhaps from my MT Propeller  Governor page on my website, www.lessdrag.com

  

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 Less Drag Products, Inc.

 805-795-5377

  

 In a message dated 05/23/2007 7:41:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  neal.george(at)mchsi.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		     Listers -    

    

   I have a new MT    prop governor for sale. 

   $1075,    shipped.

    

   

Neal E.    George 

2023 Everglades    Drive 

Navarre, FL    32566 

Home -    850-515-0640 

Cell -    850-218-4838 	


 

  



See what's free at AOL.com. 

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neal.george(at)mchsi.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

I bought the governor before I made the final decision on  the prop.  Greg Anderson says my WW 200RV would be perfectly happy with the  MT.  He offers a different governor, and that sounds a lot like a  recommendation - one I'm inclined to follow.  

  

 neal

  

 

  

Why would you  sell?  What are you going to run with? 

  

John 

    

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Some folks are opting for the PCU5000/X (http://pcu5000.com).  It supposedly governs better than the MT provided in the FF kit.  Someone on Vansairforce is doing a group buy of the PCU5000.  Since the PCU5000X ($1350) is more expensive than the MT ($Van's $1100), this may be  another case of a solution looking for a problem.  Has anyone flying had issues with the MT P-860-3?



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=17279&page=1&pp=10&highlight=pcu



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

We had problems with an RPM surge at a certain RPM setting with the MT, but

it was fixed with a stronger spring.  I think the new units should all have

the stronger spring now, but am not sure.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Neal has not answered why he is selling or the solution. Thanks for a

possible perspective.



John



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acs(at)acspropeller.com.a
Guest

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Jesse, or anyone. Is this a common governor model supplied with other Vans 

kits with constant speed props?

John 40315



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neal.george(at)mchsi.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Oops - I thought I had answered, maybe it didn't go thru.



I bought the governor (P-860-4) before I made the final decision on the

prop.  

Greg Anderson says the MT and the 200RV will be perfectly happy together.

But he sells a different unit, which IMPLIES a recommendation.



Thanks for the reminder, John 



Do not archive



Neal E. George

2023 Everglades Drive

Navarre, FL 32566

Home - 850-515-0640

Cell - 850-218-4838






Neal has not answered why he is selling or the solution. Thanks for a

possible perspective.



John

Some folks are opting for the PCU5000/X (http://pcu5000.com).  It supposedly

governs better than the MT provided in the FF kit.  Someone on Vansairforce

is doing a group buy of the PCU5000.  Since the PCU5000X

($1350) is more expensive than the MT ($Van's $1100), this may be another

case of a solution looking for a problem.  Has anyone flying had issues with

the MT P-860-3?



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=17279&page=1&pp=1

0&highlight=pcu



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/

LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Just for the sake of clarification, the Lyc. IO-540-C4B5 engine has two  different governor gear ratios.  

  

 The NARROW deck has a 0.895:1 gear ratio and uses the MT governor P-860-3  or P-420-17.

  

 The WIDE deck has a 0.947:1 gear ratio and uses the MT governor P-860-5 or  P-420-5.

  

 The cylinders on the NARROW deck engine are mounted with round nuts  having an internal Allen wrench drive.

 The cylinders on the WIDE deck engine are mounted with standard hex  nuts.

  

 I have not seen the WIDE deck MT governors being offered for sale by Van's  Aircraft.  I have only seen them offer the MT governors designed for the  NARROW deck Lyc. 540 engine.

  

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 05/25/2007 9:26:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  wcurtis(at)nerv10.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis"    <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>



Some folks are opting for the PCU5000/X    (http://pcu5000.com).  It supposedly governs better than the MT provided    in the FF kit.  Someone on Vansairforce is doing a group buy of the    PCU5000.  Since the PCU5000X ($1350) is more expensive than the MT    ($Van's $1100), this may be  another case of a solution looking for a    problem.  Has anyone flying had issues with the MT    P-860-3?



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=17279&page=1&pp=10&highlight=pcu



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 	


 

  



See what's free at AOL.com. 

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Jim,



I hope this is not correct since my TMX IO-540 engine has the same standard hex nuts as the engine in 410RV which would make it a WIDE deck engine.



N410RV

http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TerryCole/abilene/Abilene_04_RV10_072.jpg



My TMX IO-540

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/Engine02.jpg



The governor I just received in the Van's firewall forward kit is MT P-860-3.  According to the you, I should need the P-860-5.  Does Van's use a -3 or a -5 in N401RV?

I'll have to check with Mattituck on this.



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 



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lessdragprod(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Hi William,

   Â 

   I don't know if N401RV has a narrow deck engine, or a wide deck engine.Â  I have only seen Van's Aircraft selling the MT governor for the narrow deck Lyc. 540 engine.Â  I have not seen them list the correctÂ MT governor for a wide deck engine.

 

 I haven't done this, but I have heard that the MT governors for the narrow deck Lyc. 540 engine will work on the wide deck engine.Â  If the high RPM adjustment screw is moved to its limit.Â  Or, sometimes, the metal stop needs to be filed to get additional travel on the governor control arm.

 

 BTW, the safety wire can beÂ cut and theÂ six safety wired screws can be loosened in order to rotate the governor arm and stop assembly.Â  When the governor arm is in the position you want, the six screws can be tightened and safety wired.

 Do not remove the governor arm from the splined shaft.Â  This is a bad thing.

 

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 

 : rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Sat, 26 May 2007 7:18 pm

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: FS: MT Prop Gov

 

 

   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis" TMX IO-540 engine has the same standard hex  nuts as the engine in 410RV which would make it a WIDE deck engine.  N410RV http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TerryCole/abilene/Abilene_04_RV10_072.jpg  My TMX IO-540 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/Engine02.jpg  The governor I just received in the Van's firewall forward kit is MT P-860-3.   According to the you, I should need the P-860-5.  Does Van's use a -3 or a -5 in  N401RV? I'll have to check with Mattituck on this.  William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/   ------

Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

I spoke with Douglas Turner at MT Prop – USA this morning.  He verified that Van’s only sells the MT prop governor for the narrow deck 540.   That seems odd since Lycoming hasn’t produced a new narrow deck engine since the late 70s, but it is what it is.  You may have a narrow deck engine if you purchased an overhauled engine from a shop, but if you purchased a new factory engine (from Van’s) or a new experimental engine from someone like BPE, Aerosport or Mattituck, then you definitely have a wide deck engine.   

   

The 860-3 can be converted to the correct drive gear ratio for the wide deck engine.  You can contact MT Prop USA  at (386) 736-7762 for assistance.  

   

Rhonda Barrett-Bewley  

Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.  

2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.  

Tulsa, OK   74115  

(918) 835-1089 phone  

(918) 835-1754 fax  

www.barrettprecisionengines.com         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lessdragprod(at)aol.com

 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:07 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: FS: MT Prop Gov  

  

     

Hi William,  

    

   

    

I don't know if N401RV has a narrow deck engine, or a wide deck engine.  I have only seen Van's Aircraft selling the MT governor for the narrow deck Lyc. 540 engine.  I have not seen them list the correct MT governor for a wide deck engine.

 

 I haven't done this, but I have heard that the MT governors for the narrow deck Lyc. 540 engine will work on the wide deck engine.  If the high RPM adjustment screw is moved to its limit.  Or, sometimes, the metal stop needs to be filed to get additional travel on the governor control arm.

 

 BTW, the safety wire can be cut and the six safety wired screws can be loosened in order to rotate the governor arm and stop assembly.  When the governor arm is in the position you want, the six screws can be tightened and safety wired.

 Do not remove the governor arm from the splined shaft.  This is a bad thing.

 

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 

 : rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Sat, 26 May 2007 7:18 pm

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: FS: MT Prop Gov  

  [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)> Jim, I hope this is not correct since my TMX IO-540 engine has the same standard hex nuts as the engine in 410RV which would make it a WIDE deck engine. N410RVhttp://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TerryCole/abilene/Abilene_04_RV10_072.jpg My TMX IO-540http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/Engine02.jpg The governor I just received in the Van's firewall forward kit is MT P-860-3.  According to the you, I should need the P-860-5.  Does Van's use a -3 or a -5 in N401RV?I'll have to check with Mattituck on this. Williamhttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/  ------

neilcolliver(at)maxnet.co
Guest

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

MT governors.



all P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( ) number only  

refers

to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the governor. To change  

the

control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire center portion to the

desired position, tighten the 6 screws and safety.



To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned

counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to decrease  

rpm.

If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25 rpm) the  

control

arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the time.



All this can be done on the plane.



Best Regards,

Juergen Zahner

mt-propeller USA, Inc.

ph: 386-736-7762

fax:386-736-7696

Juergen.Zahner(at)mt-propellerusa.com

www.mt-propellerusa.com



On 26 May 2007, at 16:18, LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote:

Just for the sake of clarification, the Lyc. IO-540-C4B5 engine has two  

different governor gear ratios. 

 

The NARROW deck has a 0.895:1 gear ratio and uses the MT governor  

P-860-3 or P-420-17.

 

The WIDE deck has a 0.947:1 gear ratio and uses the MT governor P-860-5  

or P-420-5.

 

The cylinders on the NARROW deck engine are mounted with round nuts  

having an internal Allen wrench drive.

The cylinders on the WIDE deck engine are mounted with standard hex  

nuts.

 

I have not seen the WIDE deck MT governors being offered for sale by  

Van's Aircraft.  I have only seen them offer the MT governors designed  

for the NARROW deck Lyc. 540 engine.

 

Regards,

Jim Ayers

 

In a message dated 05/25/2007 9:26:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Some folks are opting for the PCU5000/X (http://pcu5000.com).  It  

 supposedly governs better than the MT provided in the FF kit.  Someone  

 on Vansairforce is doing a group buy of the PCU5000.  Since the  

 PCU5000X ($1350) is more expensive than the MT ($Van's $1100), this  

 may be  another case of a solution looking for a problem.  Has anyone  

 flying had issues with the MT P-860-3?



 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php? 

 t=17279&page=1&pp=10&highlight=pcu



 William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/

LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

Hi All,

  

 Just as a point of reference, Juergen Zahner is the MT governor guru in the  USA.  And what he has said is correct for the operation of the P-8xx series  of MT governors.

  

 Just as a point of clarification: installing the correct governor on the  appropriate Lycoming engine means that the governor has been preset at the  factory for that engine.

 Installing the MT governor for a narrow deck Lyc. 540 engine on the  wide deck Lycoming 540 engine means that you will have to adjust the  governor setting to get the correct maximum RPM.

  

 With a brand new engine on a brand new aircraft being prepared for its  first flight:  This seemed like the wrong time to be fussing with an  otherwise unnecessary governor adjustment.

  

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 05/30/2007 1:09:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  neilcolliver(at)maxnet.co.nz writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  MT    governors.



all P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( )    number only refers to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the    governor. To change the control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire    center portion to the desired position, tighten the 6 screws and    safety.



To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned    counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to    decrease rpm.

If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25    rpm) the control arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the    time.



All this can be done on the plane.



Best    Regards,

Juergen Zahner

mt-propeller USA, Inc.

ph:    386-736-7762

fax:386-736-7696

Juergen.Zahner(at)mt-propellerusa.com

www.mt-propellerusa.com



On    26 May 2007, at 16:18, LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote:

Just for the    sake of clarification, the Lyc. IO-540-C4B5 engine has two  

different    governor gear ratios. 

 

The NARROW deck has a 0.895:1 gear    ratio and uses the MT governor  

P-860-3 or P-420-17.

 

The    WIDE deck has a 0.947:1 gear ratio and uses the MT governor P-860-5     

or P-420-5.

 

The cylinders on the NARROW deck engine are    mounted with round nuts  

having an internal Allen wrench    drive.

The cylinders on the WIDE deck engine are mounted with standard    hex  

nuts.

 

I have not seen the WIDE deck MT governors    being offered for sale by  

Van's Aircraft.  I have only seen    them offer the MT governors designed  

for the NARROW deck Lyc. 540    engine.

 

Regards,

Jim Ayers

 

In a message dated    05/25/2007 9:26:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com    writes:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis"    <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>



 Some folks are opting for the    PCU5000/X (http://pcu5000.com).  It  

 supposedly governs    better than the MT provided in the FF kit.  Someone  

 on    Vansairforce is doing a group buy of the PCU5000.  Since the     

 PCU5000X ($1350) is more expensive than the MT ($Van's $1100),    this  

 may be  another case of a solution looking for a    problem.  Has anyone  

 flying had issues with the MT    P-860-3?



 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?    

 t=17279&page=1&pp=10&highlight=pcu



    William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 

	

	


 

  



See what's free at AOL.com. 

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

 	  Quote: 	
		   With a brand new engine on a brand new aircraft being prepared for its  first 

 flight:  This seemed like the wrong time to be fussing with an  otherwise 

 unnecessary governor adjustment.


	


Agreed!  



Thanks Rhonda, Jim and Juergen!



Has anyone that has done this (adjust the P-860-3 governor in Van's Firewall Forward kit for use with the WIDE deck engine) have any settings such as how many turns on the set screw is required for the 2700 RPM?



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 



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bgill1(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: FS: MT Prop Gov

I have been cautiously watching this thread to see how things developed.

Definitely would like to see info from the guys flying to see what

changes were required. My first thought was to change it out - but

having it already on, baffles fit, and sealed around, makes it a less

than desirable situation to pull off.



Thanks in advance for any info



Byron

N253RV assigned - still finishing....



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