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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

I am probably going to get lit up for this but....

With the limited capacity for cargo we have on these airplanes, has anyone considered a travel pod like the mi folks use?

There are some options for the -50 which I am pursuing as we speak. But do the -52's suffer from the same problems?

What are some potential draw backs?

CG
Mounting
Weight
buds will laugh at you
Thoughts?


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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Tim,

I've seen a number of Yak 52s with center line fuel tanks. A travel pod mounted in the same area would work as well. C/G is not to effected if you keep the travel pod's C/G very close to the aircraft's C/G.

Drag is always a factor. How much mainly depends on how big the pod is. Pod diameter has more of a drag factor than length. The bigger around you make it the more drag. I had six 2" x 4' rockets mounted under my wings. Total weight was 8 lbs. I could not measure the drag they caused. However when I put two 10" x 4' bombs (copies of Jap Type 97 GPB) which weighted 7 pounds each, the drag was quite noticeable.

Build it light. Design it to remove easily. Put on performance restrictions (no acro, < 2 gs or IAS limit) in effect as long as pod is on. Dennis could give you the best mounting points. You do not have to get to elaborate to accomplish what you need.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Why a travel pod Tim, which I assume you mean an external pod? Since you
have so much room above the fuel tanks etc., why not fabricate a way to hang
a soft baggage (read "bag") compartment with a zipper end in it which can be
attached when necessary and removed when you're not flying cross country?
Dennis

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Am I the only guy picturing underwear and clothes being dispersed over some nice farm house in route one day?

Smile


Great ideas..


David


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Tim,



I've seen a number of Yak 52s with center line fuel tanks. A travel pod mounted in the same area would work as well. C/G is not to effected if you keep the travel pod's C/G very close to the aircraft's C/G.



Drag is always a factor. How much mainly depends on how big the pod is. Pod diameter has more of a drag factor than length. The bigger around you make it the more drag. I had six 2" x 4' rockets mounted under my wings. Total weight was 8 lbs. I could not measure the drag they caused. However when I put two 10" x 4' bombs (copies of Jap Type 97 GPB) which weighted 7 pounds each, the drag was quite noticeable.



Build it light. Design it to remove easily. Put on performance restrictions (no acro, < 2 gs or IAS limit) in effect as long as pod is on. Dennis could give you the best mounting points. You do not have to get to elaborate to accomplish what you need.



Jim "Pappy" Goolsby





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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Tim,
Have you filled the Hell Hole up in the 50? You can make a cargo bag out of
an A4 bag. Get life support or one of the riggers sew 4 heavy dog ears on
the side of the bag and put eyelets in the dog ears. To make it real strong
chris cross the dog ears by making them the length of the side of the A4
bag. Now all you have to do is use some carabiners (sp) to hook it to the
bulk head in front of the fuel tanks. Once you stuff what you want in the
bag, secure the zipper with a zip tie.
If the A4 bag can handle our TMO guys and Loads, they sure as heck ought to
be able to handle the 50. Granted you are not going to G it up with it on
board.
Doc

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:05 am    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Talon,
Have seen ours survive 6 g breaks without shucking. If someone is going to make a travel pod, I suggest they go look at how we do our hard points on the jets and fashion them like those. Have not done it yet but have thought about it for the 52 for a centerline fuel tank. Don’t need to any longer since the sckosh fuel issue will be resolved in the near future for the 52 using the existing internal bay.
Doc

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Am I the only guy picturing underwear and clothes being dispersed over some nice farm house in route one day?

Smile
Great ideas..


David


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Tim,



I've seen a number of Yak 52s with center line fuel tanks. A travel pod mounted in the same area would work as well. C/G is not to effected if you keep the travel pod's C/G very close to the aircraft's C/G.



Drag is always a factor. How much mainly depends on how big the pod is. Pod diameter has more of a drag factor than length. The bigger around you make it the more drag. I had six 2" x 4' rockets mounted under my wings. Total weight was 8 lbs. I could not measure the drag they caused. However when I put two 10" x 4' bombs (copies of Jap Type 97 GPB) which weighted 7 pounds each, the drag was quite noticeable.



Build it light. Design it to remove easily. Put on performance restrictions (no acro, < 2 gs or IAS limit) in effect as long as pod is on. Dennis could give you the best mounting points. You do not have to get to elaborate to accomplish what you need.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Doc

To get more range on fuel ,what "fix" in the fuel bay are you refering to?

Dale


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:08 am    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Fuel bladders. Dennis Savarese and a auto racing company are working on a
fuel bladder that replaces the fuel can along with using all the available
space for fuel. It is not quite ready for sale yet. The prototype is in my
hanger being fitted to Dennis's 52 as we speak. The kits will be available
soon.
As well, a kit for cleaning Carbon Monoxide from the cabin air in the 52, 50
and CJ will soon be available. A few airflow tests to run doing CO samplings
to get closer on finalizing the setup. To date, the best way to ensure clean
air is to supply it to an aviator's mask. One more way to look cool in the
cockpit and wear the mask for a real justifiable reason.
Doc

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

great , I was allmost ready to try doing something on my own. I will wait to see how the bladders come out. I was aware of sealing off the leading edge for more space.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

They will give an extra 10 gals per side. So we should see 25 gal per side
when all is said and done.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

Roger,
I am interested in the travel pods for my 50. Please keep me up to date if /when they become available. How will they be vented?
Thanks,
Cliff Umscheid

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They will give an extra 10 gals per side. So we should see 25 gal per side
when all is said and done.
Doc

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Travel Pods.... Reply with quote

FWIW, the bladders are made by an aircraft bladder manufacturer and not a
race car manufacture. At this time I'm not in a position to discuss
anything further about them.
Dennis

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