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donpearsall
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 Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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That is a way cool engine set-up John! Congratulations on making it work. Thanks for the pics. Any plans for a cowling on it? As we all know, the round cowl of the early Kitfoxes was meant to simulate a radial engine, so it is good to see it actually have a real radial on it.
Don Pearsall
[quote] From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:09 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Engines and experimentation
Marco + Lowell ; I do not have good numbers yet but should be good. Fuel burn is supposed to be about 5 GPH.Engine is heavy also had to add ballast to the tail . Rotec website is
www.rotecradialengines.com There are a few other Kitfoxs shown there. Probably not the ideal engine for the airplane but interesting .Call in the evening if anyone would like to discuss it. John Murphy 636-532-0479
> From: lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
[quote] To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines and experimentation
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:12:59 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
John,
I second Marco's request and maybe some performance numbers - climb, cruise
and fuel burn.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
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propellerdesign(at)tele2.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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I think the BMW motorcycle engine will be a good one, many is flying in Europe, and they are relative cheep, old with carbs or new with electronic injection and ignition is used. the largest is 96 HP.
Jan
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msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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I love the look of a round engine on the Fox. They are clearly made for each other. Jim Cantrell's IV, shown on Rotec's site, would be beautiful with any engine but especially so with the Rotec. Jim, if you're out there . . . Nice Work! Do you plan to add a NACA ring cowl?
Can't wait to hear performance numbers. Keep us posted John.
John Murphy <murphystl(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote] P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Marco + Lowell ; I do not have good numbers yet but should be good. Fuel burn is supposed to be about 5 GPH.Engine is heavy also had to add ballast to the tail . Rotec website is
www.rotecradialengines.com There are a few other Kitfoxs shown there. Probably not the ideal engine for the airplane but interesting .Call in the evening if anyone would like to discuss it. John Murphy 636-532-0479
> From: lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
[quote] To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines and experimentation
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:12:59 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
John,
I second Marco's request and maybe some performance numbers - climb, cruise
and fuel burn.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
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Don G
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Location: Central Illinois
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Engines and experimentation |
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Clint, no pard....I meant no where near as light as a 912!....
IN re-reading my post...I can see where it might have read like that tho!
Sometimes I wish I they would have offered courses in Journalism back at Spartan when I was there! I would have been way ahead to take them!
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john murphy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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Don : No plans for a cowl yet . I did use the two rear cowl sections with some modifications . The engine is so beautiful it would be a shame to cover it up . Rotec was able to supply the engine mount , oil tank , exh. collecter , prop and instruments. John Murphy
[quote] From: donpearsall(at)comcast.net
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Engines and experimentation
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:55:12 -0700
.ExternalClass P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} That is a way cool engine set-up John! Congratulations on making it work. Thanks for the pics. Any plans for a cowling on it? As we all know, the round cowl of the early Kitfoxes was meant to simulate a radial engine, so it is good to see it actually have a real radial on it.
Don Pearsall
[quote] From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:09 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Engines and experimentation
Marco + Lowell ; I do not have good numbers yet but should be good. Fuel burn is supposed to be about 5 GPH.Engine is heavy also had to add ballast to the tail . Rotec website is
www.rotecradialengines.com There are a few other Kitfoxs shown there. Probably not the ideal engine for the airplane but interesting .Call in the evening if anyone would like to discuss it. John Murphy 636-532-0479
> From: lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
[quote] To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Engines and experimentation
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:12:59 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
John,
I second Marco's request and maybe some performance numbers - climb, cruise
and fuel burn.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
1998 850 hrs.
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dcaofak(at)acsalaska.net
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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Have been enjoying reading the posts on this topic. Here's a link to some folks developing a rotary engine for aircraft. Have been e-mailing them and the engine makers for a couple of years now, they seem to have a ways to go.
http://rotaryaircraftengines.com/
John Stoner
KFIII, 582
Alaska
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Fox5flyer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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Interesting reading John, thanks. Looks like a good possibility for future engine choices. Reading the weights as compared to Continentals and Rotax 912UL was exciting until I read the fine print at the bottom of the page.
" ** Weight does not include PSRU, starting, charging, exhaust, cooling, or other accessory systems."
Does anybody know of any aircraft running one of these engines?
Deke Morisse
N148DM
S5/Soob/CAP
NE Michigan
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jcant1(at)hughes.net
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Engines and experimentation |
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Hello Everyone,
I just got back to enjoying this thread; I had plans to be testing by now but got laid up three weeks because of staph infection. I just received the three blade prop last week and plan to try to make the first test next week. I do not plan to add a NACA ring cowl at this time. The R-2800 is too beautiful to cover up. My plane is a 5 TD, instead of the IV listed.
Jim C.
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:46 AM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Engines and experimentation
I love the look of a round engine on the Fox. They are clearly made for each other. Jim Cantrell's IV, shown on Rotec's site, would be beautiful with any engine but especially so with the Rotec. Jim, if you're out there . . . Nice Work! Do you plan to add a NACA ring cowl?
Can't wait to hear performance numbers. Keep us posted John.
John Murphy <murphystl(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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Marco + Lowell ; I do not have good numbers yet but should be good. Fuel burn is supposed to be about 5 GPH.Engine is heavy also had to add ballast to the tail . Rotec website is
www.rotecradialengines.com There are a few other Kitfoxs shown there. Probably not the ideal engine for the airplane but interesting .Call in the evening if anyone would like to discuss it. John Murphy 636-532-0479
> Subject: Re: Engines and experimentation
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:12:59 -0700
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
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> John,
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> I second Marco's request and maybe some performance numbers - climb, cruise
> and fuel burn.
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> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Warp
> 1998 850 hrs.
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