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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: Dual controls

Hey Group,



    I was wondering if I can get someone with a M3X with dual controls to 

take a few close up photos of the control mechanism for me.



   I presently have a center single control stick, and I plan on converting 

it to "dual controls".



   I sure would appreciate it!!



                                                       Thanks,   Mike in SW 

Utah



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Dual controls

|   I presently have a center single control stick, and I plan on 

converting

| it to "dual controls".

 |                                                       Thanks, 

Mike in SW

| Utah

Mike:



If your counterfit project fails, give Travis a call at TNK, he'll be 

glad to send you the complete setup.  I think they are still a bolt in 

kit.



john h

mkIII with the first set of dual controls in a Kolb.  Still working 

after 2,660+ hours.

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hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: Dual controls

John H.



    Who in the hell made you God, and said it was okay for you to say any 

insulting "mightier than thou" comment you want?



    The last time I checked, this sport we engage in was called 

"Experimental" aviation, whereby anyone can test their talents and they have 

the freedom to do as they darn well please when it comes to building and 

maintaining an aircraft they choose.  They can build, improve upon, alter, 

and even simply assemble, whatever their little heart desires.  And I would 

have also thought they  would have been free from ridicule and 

condescension, just because their choices don't match your approval.



    While your allegiance to Kolb and all things original equipment has been 

well stated, I really don't believe others should have to endure snide 

comments from you.



   I am not trying to be confrontational, but I'll be damned if I'll just 

stand by and be insulted on my choices to build my airplane.  You don't have 

that right.



  And if you want to continue THIS pissing match back copy, you have my 

email address.  (And phone number  435-817-1816)

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		  From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Dual controls

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:24:55 -0500




  |   I presently have a center single control stick, and I plan on

converting

| it to "dual controls".

  |                                                       Thanks,

Mike in SW

| Utah

Mike:



If your counterfit project fails, give Travis a call at TNK, he'll be

glad to send you the complete setup.  I think they are still a bolt in

kit.



john h

mkIII with the first set of dual controls in a Kolb.  Still working

after 2,660+ hours.


	


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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: Dual controls

Heres one.

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John Hauck

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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Dual controls

"The last time I checked, this sport we engage in was called

"Experimental" aviation, whereby anyone can test their talents and 

they have

the freedom to do as they darn well please when it comes to building 

and

maintaining an aircraft they choose.  They can build, improve upon, 

alter,

and even simply assemble, whatever their little heart desires"

Mike W:



Guess the request for photos to copy the Kolb dual controls hit me the 

wrong way.



The first dual controls in a Kolb aircraft were designed and 

fabricated by my Brother Jim and a good friend of ours, that is no 

longer with us.  This was done in 1991.  I would like to add that it 

took 4 iterations of the controls to come up with a good, workable set 

that I have been flying with since 1992, and what TNK started shipping 

with their kits.  Old Kolb came up with a set of dual controls that 

did not work well, some time after we had successfully gotten ours 

flying.  Soon after TNK got their organization operating, Brother Jim 

made a set of jigs for our dual controls and gave them to TNK.



I apologize for my comment.  Should have thought a little longer 

before I reacted.  I hope this will help explain my poor choice of 

words in response to your request for photos of the dual controls.



john h

mkIII



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HShack(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: Dual controls

In a message dated 6/30/2007 9:59:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  John H.



    Who in the hell made you God, and said it was okay for you to say any 

insulting "mightier than thou" comment you want? 	


  

  

 WOW!  What a touchy guy!  Some people don't want to hear the truth.



  

 Howard Shackleford

FS II

SC



See what's free at AOL.com. 

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jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Dual controls

At 09:49 PM 6/30/07 -0500, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



"The last time I checked, this sport we engage in was called

"Experimental" aviation, whereby anyone can test their talents and 

they have

the freedom to do as they darn well please when it comes to building 

and

maintaining an aircraft they choose.  They can build, improve upon, 

alter,

and even simply assemble, whatever their little heart desires"

Mike W:



Guess the request for photos to copy the Kolb dual controls hit me the 

wrong way.



The first dual controls in a Kolb aircraft were designed and 

fabricated by my Brother Jim and a good friend of ours, that is no 

longer with us.  This was done in 1991.  I would like to add that it 

took 4 iterations of the controls to come up with a good, workable set 

that I have been flying with since 1992, and what TNK started shipping 

with their kits.  Old Kolb came up with a set of dual controls that 

did not work well, some time after we had successfully gotten ours 

flying.  Soon after TNK got their organization operating, Brother Jim 

made a set of jigs for our dual controls and gave them to TNK.



I apologize for my comment.  Should have thought a little longer 

before I reacted.  I hope this will help explain my poor choice of 

words in response to your request for photos of the dual controls.



john h

mkIII




	


John,



For continuity of the thread, I believe this should be part of the archive.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

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JetPilot

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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Dual controls

I would have to also suggest that you buy the dual controls from TNK.  They work perfectly, and will save you a lot of work that has already been done by others.  Aside from the obvious advantages of dual sticks in training, if the stick breaks off in your hand while you are flying, you can just reach over and fly with the other stick   



Given the amount of time it will take you to develop and scratch build these dual controls, you will be better off to work some overtime and buy the dual controls from Kolb and bolt them on.



Here are some pictures of mine, maybe after seeing this you will like the factory ones so much that you might just buy them.  



Mike

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: Dual controls

Mike,



  Thank you for your insightful and well explained information, describing 

the dual control system from Kolb.

  I definitely agree the factory built mechanism is truely a beautiful 

example of quality design and workmanship (for which John H. was involved in 

the design).   I think you have a valid point, too, for the time and 

experimentation, it probably wouldn't be worth the trouble to try to 

fabricate my own system.



  I apologize for lashing out at John.  It's just that I do tend to try to 

"build my own" on occation and I felt offended that he insinuated I wasn't 

"legitimate" or I somehow "stole" something.   I do trust my talents at 

making a very workable version of almost anything I decide to build.  I 

fabricate all kinds of products.  I can weld, fiberglass, upholster, (among 

other trades) many things.  (A bonafide Inspector Gadget).



  But, as you pointed out, this might be a time when it might not be worth 

the effort.  Again, my apologies to John, and thanks to you for a well 

thought out response.



                                                                             

             Mike Welch

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		  From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>

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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Dual controls

Date: Sun,  1 Jul 2007 20:31:41 -0700






I would have to also suggest that you buy the dual controls from TNK.  They 

work perfectly, and will save you a lot of work that has already been done 

by others.  Aside from the obvious advantages of dual sticks in training, 

if the stick breaks off in your hand while you are flying, you can just 

reach over and fly with the other stick  [Laughing]



Given the amount of time it will take you to develop and scratch build 

these dual controls, you will be better off to work some overtime and buy 

the dual controls from Kolb and bolt them on.



Here are some pictures of mine, maybe after seeing this you will like the 

factory ones so much that you might just buy them.



Mike



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could have !!!



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