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jeffpoint

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: MKE

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

I'm looking for someone with expertise on hangar building codes.  

Specifically IBC 412.2.4 and how it relates to furnace installations.



Please email me at jpoint(at)mindspring.com.



It's RV related since I'm going to put my RV in the hangar.



Jeff Point

RV-6 flying

RV-8 building

Milwaukee

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bmeyette

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 72
Location: Cornish, NH

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

I'm not familiar with IBC 412, but you'll also want to consult NFPA 409

Section 8  (http://brian76.mystarband.net/HangarDetails.htm#apr28-06)



Your local Fire Dept/Planning Office may have copi4s of these regs



It mainly depends on how much trouble your local bureaucracy wants to give

you.   I've tried it in a bad place and done it in a good place; huge

difference:



http://brian76.mystarband.net/hangar.htm



brian

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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the 

inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for.

Dale Ensing

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

I can send a copy of NFPA 409 in pdf format if you wish.  Just let me know.  I will need to look at the IBC, but can probably send that as well.  I will need the year or edition adopted.  I will be back in the states and functioning on Thurs.  Iceland is a pretty visit.



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I'm not familiar with IBC 412, but you'll also want to consult NFPA 409

Section 8 (http://brian76.mystarband.net/HangarDetails.htm#apr28-06)

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I'm looking for someone with expertise on hangar building codes.

Specifically IBC 412.2.4 and how it relates to  furnace installations.



Please email me at jpoint(at)mindspring.com.

It's RV related since I'm going to put my RV in the hangar.

Jeff Point

RV-6 flying

RV-8 building

Milwaukee



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jeffpoint

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: MKE

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

That would be great.  I know the IBC adopted is 2003 and I have that 

book, but I don't have the NFPA.  A pdf would be great.



Jeff



Sherman Butler wrote:

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		   I can send a copy of NFPA 409 in pdf format if you wish.  Just let me 

 know.  I will need to look at the IBC, but can probably send that as 

 well.  I will need the year or edition adopted.  I will be back in the 

 states and functioning on Thurs.  Iceland is a pretty visit.



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jeffpoint

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: MKE

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the 

inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for.

Dale Ensing



That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked 

him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the 

related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents.  Both of these 

spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height 

requirement.  There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the 

state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue.  So much 

for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable.



Jeff

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billsettle(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: Hangar building code issues

Another downside to all this is that it has been my experience that you may try to comply with what one inspector wants only to have a different inspector come out and require something else.



Bill Settle



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 From: Jeff Point <jpoint(at)mindspring.com>

 Date: 2007/07/17 Tue AM 02:45:29 EST

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Hangar building code issues

 

 

 

 I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the 

 inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for.

 Dale Ensing

 

 That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked 

 him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the 

 related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents.  Both of these 

 spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height 

 requirement.  There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the 

 state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue.  So much 

 for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable.

 

 Jeff

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Painless

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 40
Location: Peshtigo, Wisconsin

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: Hangar building code issues

Jeff:



I am jumping into this thread midstream so hope this hasn't been mentioned.



We had a guy just build a hangar at MNM and came up against the same BS. 

What he did is have his electrician wire just one overhead light, well 

removed from where any airplane would get 10 ft away, and then had it 

inspected.  Once he didn't see the inspector's tailights, up went more 

lights.



One other thing....At least in MI, if you install lights that are inclosed 

with some sort of diffuser, then the 10 ft rule does not apply.  In other 

words, a bare bulb type of light is what they get bent out of shape about.



Jeff Orear

RV6A  N782P

Peshtigo, WI

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tiger10(at)centurytel.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Hangar building code issues

We at kpso Pagosa Springs co, had this proble =m for a while, the 10 ft

thing, and after talkoing to the fire marshal got a reasonable opinion that

10 ft. from the fuel system was going to be OK. Most of our hangars are at

least 14 ft high,some a lot more, and it the heater is in a rear corner, you

will have more than enough room. 

Jim Carey asn kpso 



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: Hangar building code issues

Jeff Point wrote:

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 I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the 

 inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for.

 Dale Ensing

 

 That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked 

 him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the 

 related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents.  Both of these 

 spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height 

 requirement.  There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the 

 state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue.  So much 

 for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable.

 

 Jeff

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Then don't build a hangar. Build a big storage building with a really 

big entry door.



You need to think like a bureaucrat. For instance, it's almost always 

easy to get a 'special vfr' clearance to depart an airport, but it will 

never be offered to you. (Ya gotta ask.)



Charlie

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Hangar building code issues

A little off subject, but since Charlie mentioned "special VFR", I

recall a while back before I got my IFR ticket that one morning I was

waiting to hop over the mountains from Knoxville TYS.  There was a low

layer of wispy fog laying over the area that was just thick enough to be

below MVFR.  I talked to the tower and they said it might clear in a

half hour or so.  When I called about 15 minutes later to see if it had

improved, the tower wondered, in a slow, methodical query, if there was

anything "special" I would like request.  Being denser than a rock and

dumber than a stump, it was only later that I understood what he was

hinting at.  Yes, they can accommodate, but they can't offer.  



However, bureaucrat can offer, but usually don't...unless you ply them

with enough donuts to go with their early morning coffee, mid morning

coffee and before lunch coffee!



Chuck Jensen



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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Hangar building code issues

Jeff, what exactly is the jurisdisction?  I can check with my buddies and see if a friend can be contacted in the local area that knows teh personalities involved.  The inspector has a boss, she/he may interpert it differently, or other sections of the code my apply.  

   

  What type of fuel?  If it is wood then a ten feet stack or a spark arrestor may be required.  It will make little diferance if it is a hangar or storage shed (hangar is french for shed,  IBC is Internatational Building Code.).



Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

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Jeff Point wrote:

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 I called the local building  inspection dept that would ultimate do the 

 inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for.

 Dale Ensing

 

 That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked 

 him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the 

 related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of these 

 spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height 

 requirement. There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the 

 state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So much 

 for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable.

 



Then don't build a hangar. Build a big storage building with a really 
	


big entry door.



You need to think like a bureaucrat. For instance, it's almost always 

easy to get a 'special vfr' clearance to depart an airport, but it will 

never be offered to you. (Ya  gotta ask.)



Charlie



	




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