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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

 	  jpl(at)showpage.org wrote: 	
		  But your comment about the truckers and their air horns sort of hits  the nail squarely on the head.  If we're going to put up with  truckers hitting air horns, then $19 a day for camping is high.



I think the discussion is (for me) over about $50 -- 25% of what I  

gave the EAA last Wednesday.  My original comment wasn't "OMG it's  

WAY too expensive."  Just a little high, that's all.



	




I'm trying to figure out what camping fee would've made me lose less sleep. (g)



Seriously, I consider it a fault of the Oshkosh police department and Wisconsin State patrol that a bunch of gap-toothed morons got to disturb the peace with impunity.



 By the way, if you want to beat the EAA at its own game, stake out a campsite that you would feel comfortable with. The 20 x 30 regulation was in place years ago when camping units weren't so big. I don't think anybody ever checks. Want a 50 foot buffer? Stake it out.



As for the kids giggling and folks talking all hours of the night. I'm afraid I'm at least partially guilty, although I did try to see people as they set up near me and  first thing I said was, "let me explain to you what you're getting yourself into here..."



BTW, I heard the Super 8 had rooms as late as Saturday night. What's up with THAT?

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St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

acepilot(at)bloomer.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

My (PERSONAL) observations of OSH 2007:



Camp Scholler West-most shower house had "NO CAMPING" signs at several 

points around the grass and was ignored by 4 or 5 campers.  EAA security 

never said squat and I was there for the entire convention and saw them 

drive by without a look.  Why the "privilege" for some?



Campground trash?  More and more on the ground this year.



Trash on flightline?  WAY up from the 70s and 80s.  Cigarette butts and 

candy wrappers.  When did they open up the flightline to smoking?  Did I 

miss that?  Better get me a box of Cuban stogies for next year...(and 

start smoking)



Where was the guy that used to harp about littering and for others to 

pick up something if they saw it on the ground?  Used to be every 10 or 

15 minutes on the PA system.  Heard it ONCE this year (at the end of the 

airshow routine when half the people had already left).



Prices?  I saw on the Airventure website the prices of vendor 

spots...some $2K some $5K.  Seemed vendors were down to me.  Very little 

vendor activity in ultralight section.  Little down by Van's compared to 

past years.  Has the bubble burst?  Vendors feeling it may not be worth 

their investment in a space?  The sunglasses and pots and pan vendors 

still seem to be able to afford it...



I'd say it was a sad state of affairs (and I have 30+ years of 

experience to gauge against).



Scott

http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)



Brian Meyette wrote:



[quote]



I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some suggestions, but all have

always been ignored.   Maybe Tom's announcement of changes will help.   It

HAS improved.  We think the food selection has gotten better than 5 years

ago, when we first went.



My wife and I took the free shuttle to the seaplane base for the first time.

It wasn't a big deal, but after we got there, they had a big sign that said

the shuttle was $2 round trip.  Hmmmm



The RV BBQ was just SUPER!  Thanks so much to Bob, Darwin and all the other

volunteers for putting on such a great event.   Thanks to Stein, GRT, and

all the other vendors who contributed to it.  It was a real pleasure to meet

and chat with so many nice people I've known via Internet for so long, but

haven't had a chance to meet yet.  I didn't find Chad Jensen or Dave

Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed you.



brian



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Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

It is always a pleasure to associate with fellow flyers and see what is new in aviation.

 I wish we had more events to attend each year. My only complaint is the Hilton's room

 rate was alittle steep at $299 per night, but the food is great as usual. 

 See ya next year,

 Craig

[quote] Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:40:22 +0000

 From: acepilot(at)bloomer.net

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

 --> RV-List message posted by: Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net>

 My (PERSONAL) observations of OSH 2007:

 Camp Scholler West-most shower house had "NO CAMPING" signs at several 

 points around the grass and was ignored by 4 or 5 campers. EAA security 

 never said squat and I was there for the entire convention and saw them 

 drive by without a look. Why the "privilege" for some?

 Campground trash? More and more on the ground this year.

 Trash on flightline? WAY up from the 70s and 80s. Cigarette butts and 

 candy wrappers. When did they open up the flightline to smoking? Did I 

 miss that? Better get me a box of Cuban stogies for next year...(and 

 start smoking)

 Where was the guy that used to harp about littering and for others to 

 pick up something if they saw it on the ground? Used to be every 10 or 

 15 minutes on the PA system. Heard it ONCE this year (at the end of the 

 airshow routine when half the people had already left).

 Prices? I saw on the Airventure website the prices of vendor 

 spots...some $2K some $5K. Seemed vendors were down to me. Very little 

 vendor activity in ultralight section. Little down by Van's compared to 

 past years. Has the bubble burst? Vendors feeling it may not be worth 

 their investment in a space? The sunglasses and pots and pan vendors 

 still seem to be able to afford it...

 I'd say it was a sad state of affairs (and I have 30+ years of 

 experience to gauge against).

 Scott

 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

 Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

 Brian Meyette wrote:

 >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net>

 >

 >I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some suggestions, but all have

 >always been ignored. Maybe Tom's announcement of changes will help. It

 >HAS improved. We think the food selection has gotten better than 5 years

 >ago, when we first went.

 >

 >My wife and I took the free shuttle to the seaplane base for the first time.

 >It wasn't a big deal, but after we got there, they had a big sign that said

 >the shuttle was $2 round trip. Hmmmm

 >

 >The RV BBQ was just SUPER! Thanks so much to Bob, Darwin and all the other

 >volunteers for putting on such a great event. Thanks to Stein, GRT, and

 >all the other vendors who contributed to it. It was a real pleasure to meet

 >and chat with so many nice people I've known via Internet for so long, but

 >haven't had a chance to meet yet. I didn't find Chad Jensen or Dave

 >Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed you.

 >

 >brian

 >

 >

 >

 >--

kboatright1(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

Not disagreeing with Kyle but EAA does rent out the facility to other 

groups/functions. Ducks Unlimited is one that comes to mind.

Dale Ensing



 	  Quote: 	
		   One difference here is that the Renaissance festival probably runs for 

 more than one week a year. How much do you think it costs the EAA to own 

 or lease those fields on an annual basis?  All for one week of revenue.



 Same thing for camping. The local campground has 365 days a year to cover 

 its overhead. The EAA campgrounds have one week of income a year to fund 

 maintenance, improvements, etc.



 KB

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Dale Ensing
RV-6A
Aero Plantation
Weddington NC

jhstarn(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

Ever wonder where the bottled water you consumed at OSH really comes from. You know that 12 oz bottle that is at least a dollar, or two or three. Well, a local LA TV station just pointed out that most if not ALL the fancy water originally starts at a tap. Oh they filter it, add stuff and sell it to us. (Pepsi & Coke are the largest suppliers)

Didn't get to OSH this year but I'll bet ya'll paid more for water (per gallon) than you did AVGAS. But take heart the AVGAS you burnt is gone for good BUT the water you filtered thru "your" system will will be back at the tap sometime in the future.    KABONG  Do Not Archive  HRII N561FS

Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

 	  jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote: 	
		  Didn't get to OSH this year but I'll bet ya'll paid more for water (per gallon) than you did AVGAS. 	




At WalMart, Ice Mountain was on sale. 32  bottles for $4.74. what's that? About 15 cents each.



As with anything else, a little thinking and a slight amount of work can make a week at Oshkosh comparatively inexpensive.  But it's like everything else, you pay for convenience.



A lot of this reminds me of the kvetching over the high price of gasoline. Everyone does it, but only *I* seem to be the one driving 55 these days (g).

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St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

jpl(at)showpage.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

On Jul 30, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Kyle Boatright wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Same thing for camping. The local campground has 365 days a year to  

 cover its overhead. The EAA campgrounds have one week of income a  

 year to fund maintenance, improvements, etc.


	


These are fair comments, although I don't see what sort of  

improvements are made to an open field   But yes, it costs  

something to just own the land.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I consider Airventure to be an outstanding "value" entertainment  

 wise.  My 2 seats for football games at my Alma Mater cost about  

 $1k/year, and that doesn't include parking.  Airventure is peanuts  

 in comparison.




	


As I said at one point in this thread -- costs are relative.  In the  

90s, computer consultancy was very profitable, and $200 or even $1000  

weren't a big deal to me.  But now I'm supporting a family of 4 on a  

single income, paying for my wife's master's degree, and making less  

than I did in the late 90s.  $200 matters to me.



And I went solo.  I don't know how folks earning less than I do pay  

for things like this for the entire family.



-Joe

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

The fee charged to vendors will eventually cramp the style of

Airventure.  Let's work with the estimated $2K to $5K fee.  For this

purpose, we'll use $3K as the base.  By the time vendor pays the fee,

staffs the booth with a minimum of 3 people for 10 days, including

packing for the show and demobilization, that's 30 man-days or 1.5

man-months.  At $65,000 per year, that's a cost of $8,125.  Add in $125

per day for lodging and food per person (3 x 10 x $125) we see living

expenses are$3,750.  Add in shipping, mileage to OSH and misc. other

costs, another $2k is easily consumed.  So a conservative total is right

at $15,000 for a booth.  



Of course, to recover that $15,000 cost, a vendor has to sell $45,000 to

$60,000 of product....just to break even.  The product he sold to break

even means he has a few fewer customers out there, though there will be

plenty of no cost follow on questions, technical support and warranty

costs.  Right now, the new EFISs are hot, but as that market shakes out,

how many vendors will be left.  Certainly the cost of the Show will

drive the small, innovative, gizmo inventor away as he can never recover

his costs.  As a result, we'll lose access to many of the "small" new

ideas that makes OSH and GA interesting.  Soon enough, Honda Jet,

Eclipse Jet, Joe Jet, et al will be the main vendors since they are the

ones with the margins that justify attendance.  It will start looking

like a mini-me NBAA Convention.



Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the

activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do with

meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping

tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments.  Other than a chance to

see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little

interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get

together.



As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its

business.  However, the question remains; why do they need a net of

$50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and what do

they intend to use it for?  Seems to me its time to share the riches

with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.



Chuck Jensen



--

jpl(at)showpage.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

LOL.  Bob, I drove my Prius to Oshkosh.  There and back on a 10- 

gallon tank of gas. 



But I didn't go to Wal Mart for water.



-J



On Jul 31, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Bob Collins wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 A lot of this reminds me of the kvetching over the high price of  

 gasoline. Everyone does it, but only *I* seem to be the one driving  

 55 these days (g).

n212pj(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

Ah, hell, one good head-on thunderstorm and that'll be that.   



John Jessen (I've never been and am anxious to go.  I'll bring my own

water.)

  #40328



do not archive



--

jpl(at)showpage.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the

 activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do  

 with

 meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping

 tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments.  Other than a chance to

 see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little

 interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get

 together.


	


Hmm.  My main fun was attending workshops and talking to vendors.  I  

noticed that the number of aircraft vendors seemed a LOT lower than  

the last time I was there (10 years ago).  I presume there have been  

a lot of shake-outs though -- a lot of companies going out of  

business.  But I haven't paid that much attention to the market since  

I started the RV, as I'd made my decision...



 	  Quote: 	
		   As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its

 business.  However, the question remains; why do they need a net of

 $50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and  

 what do

 they intend to use it for?  Seems to me its time to share the riches

 with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.


	


I read the tax filing that Bob Collins posted.  EAA doesn't have  

$50mil in the bank.  They have assets in that general neighborhood,  

but most of it appears to be real estate, if I'm remembering correctly.



-J

kenbrooks(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

.."Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning.  

I'm going to find

out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to bang on pots  

outside

their hotel rooms."  - Bob Collins



Right on, Bob!  Call me and we'll have a "pot" band!



Ken Brooks

RV-8 N1903P

Forever Finishing

larry(at)ncproto.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

Bob Collins wrote:  

But it's impossible for me to believe that at something as diverse as AirVenture,  

folks who are really interested in getting something out of it for the money  

they put into it,  don't get something significant out of it.  

   

In the big scheme of thing, the cost of AirVenture is chicken feed.  

   

But here's the thing. In this country right now, we insist not only that *our*  

individual tastes be met, we insist that other individual tastes NOT be met. It's  

ludicrous and it's why homebulders don't  like warbirds who don't like seaplane  

people who don't like ultralight people who don't like Cirrus owners who  

don't like RV owners.  

   

Good Lord, AirVenture is un-flippin' believable in terms of the wide range of interests  

represented therein. People who don't like it aren't really trying that  

hard to find their own interests, or are working too hard to find reasons to  

be unsatisfied.  

   

   

Hi Bob,  

Nice words and well put.  I’ve been to Oshkosh twice and had a great time (I’m waiting now to fly my own plane in).  I believe you hit the issue when you comment on how people find what they are looking for; one can choose to look for good, adventure, interesting people and things; or they can choose to look for things wrong, reasons not to enjoy, etc.  I’ll agree that some events may be biased to the negative but I’d argue Oshkosh is definitely biased toward the positive in a huge way.  

Larry E. James  

Bellevue, WA  

Super Decathlon  

Harmon Rocket  

   

       [quote][b]

acepilot(at)bloomer.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

I suppose some of the money they need goes to pay Tom.  I see his salary 

at something like $418,000 per year as President (pretty good pay for a 

non-profit organization!!!).  All other officers (VP, Sec. and Treas.) 

get $0 per year.  All this is according to my cursory look at the link 

to their tax return that somebody posted here.  Oh well, I primarily use 

Oshkosh as a way to get together with long distance friends too...



Scott

http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/

Gotta Fly or Gonna Die

Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)



Chuck Jensen wrote:



[quote]



The fee charged to vendors will eventually cramp the style of

Airventure.  Let's work with the estimated $2K to $5K fee.  For this

purpose, we'll use $3K as the base.  By the time vendor pays the fee,

staffs the booth with a minimum of 3 people for 10 days, including

packing for the show and demobilization, that's 30 man-days or 1.5

man-months.  At $65,000 per year, that's a cost of $8,125.  Add in $125

per day for lodging and food per person (3 x 10 x $125) we see living

expenses are$3,750.  Add in shipping, mileage to OSH and misc. other

costs, another $2k is easily consumed.  So a conservative total is right

at $15,000 for a booth.  



Of course, to recover that $15,000 cost, a vendor has to sell $45,000 to

$60,000 of product....just to break even.  The product he sold to break

even means he has a few fewer customers out there, though there will be

plenty of no cost follow on questions, technical support and warranty

costs.  Right now, the new EFISs are hot, but as that market shakes out,

how many vendors will be left.  Certainly the cost of the Show will

drive the small, innovative, gizmo inventor away as he can never recover

his costs.  As a result, we'll lose access to many of the "small" new

ideas that makes OSH and GA interesting.  Soon enough, Honda Jet,

Eclipse Jet, Joe Jet, et al will be the main vendors since they are the

ones with the margins that justify attendance.  It will start looking

like a mini-me NBAA Convention.



Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the

activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do with

meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping

tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments.  Other than a chance to

see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little

interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get

together.



As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its

business.  However, the question remains; why do they need a net of

$50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and what do

they intend to use it for?  Seems to me its time to share the riches

with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.



Chuck Jensen



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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

 	  acepilot(at)bloomer.net wrote: 	
		  I suppose some of the money they need goes to pay Tom.  I see his salary 

at something like $418,000 per year as President (pretty good pay for a 

non-profit organization!!!). 	




Not too unusual, and kinda low at that for a national non profit. Much of the work of a boss of a non-profit is raising money. It's not like they have some product or widget to put on the market and sit back and rake in the cash. It's a lot of work.



The other thing is the guy is making a living and it's not unusual to pay someone appropriately for the marketplace. 



Poberezny HAS done a good job growing the organization. Given that out here, Northwest Airlines paid their CEO $26 million to plunge the airline into bankruptcy (evidently THAT'S a talent that can't be entrusted to just ANY incompetent boob),  and when you look at all of the companies out there paying millions and millions of dollars  and are economic basket cases, $418,000 isn't too bad.

_________________
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St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

I agree, the vendors are thinning out but the EAA has a slick marketing scheme going. If you look close at all the areas where there was a vendor last year the EAA put up tents to sell shirts, caps, etc.  It appears to the naked eye that the place is full. I think I counted about a half dozen tents, buildings or other cubbyholes where the EAA was selling thier merchandise. That tactic will only drive up the prices on next years vendors. That Tom P is pretty slick..!!! 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> wrote:

--> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org>

On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the

 activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do  

 with

 meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping

 tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments.  Other than a chance to

 see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little

 interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get

 together.


	


Hmm.  My main fun was attending workshops and talking to vendors.  I  

noticed that the number of aircraft vendors seemed a LOT lower than  

the last time I was there (10 years ago).  I presume there have been  

a lot of shake-outs though -- a lot of companies going out of  

business.  But I haven't paid that much attention to the market since  

I started the RV, as I'd made my decision...



 	  Quote: 	
		   As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its

 business.  However, the question remains; why do they need a net of

 $50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and  

 what do

 they intend to use it for?  Seems to me its time to share the riches

 with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.


	


I read the tax filing that Bob Collins posted.  EAA doesn't have  

$50mil in the bank.  They have assets in that general neighborhood,  

but most of it appears to be real estate, if I'm rememberin================================================;the Matronics List Features Navigator to Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat,&nbsp========================sp;           -&nsp;great content now also available via th===========================================

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

 	  n801bh(at)netzero.com wrote: 	
		  I agree, the vendors are thinning out but the EAA has a slick marketing scheme going. 	




I thought the same thing last year when they actually did the same thing. Then I found out from a prominent vendor who hasn't been able to get into Oshkosh that there's actually a waiting list. He got in this year.



There are people waiting to take the space of those who go away. SteinAir, for example, moved into a larger space that, presumably, had been vacated. But his old space was taken.



VerticalPower, a company that didn't even exist last year (at least from our end) got a spot this year.



I talked to as many people as I could this year and they all said business was good and the attendance was strong.



I didn't spend ANY time looking at airplanes for sale so it wouldn't surprise me if there were fewer of those folks. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how some of those companies stay in business.



OTOH, you guys probably heard the same thing I did. On the first day of the show, Cessna had 300+ orders for their LSA by noon (!!!). So someone's got some money out there.

_________________
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

schybolt(at)austin.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh

HI BOB, & EVERYONE,

    GUESS I HAD MY HEAD IN THE SAND.  I ENJOYED EVERY MINUTE OF OSH.

HOMEBUILTS, WARBIRDS, TRANSPORTS, FORMATIONS, VENDORS, PEOPLE, THE BBQ

(THANKS LOADS, BOB, GREAT FOOD & FELLOWSHIP), THE ICECREAM, AND EVEN THE

RAIN (CAUGHT IN A DRY SPOT WITH A GUY WHO HAD PUT HIS RV6 IN A FIELD AFTER

AN ENGINE OUT--GREAT CONVERSATION).   THE COST WAS BEARABLE, THE HEAT WASN'T

BAD, THE TRIP UP FROM TEXAS AND BACK WAS GREAT.  I JUST CAN'T THINK OF

ANYTHING TO B__CH ABOUT EXCEPT MY FEET GOT REALLY TIRED EVERY DAY AND I ONLY

GOT TO ATTEND 3 DAYS.

LARRY BOWLES

RV7A

AUSTIN, TEXAS

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