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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz?

Lol....OK John, you may have to do a "feetfrommouthectomy" with that comment!! It wreaks of Southern Chop  busting. 

Rick S. 

40185 

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz?

I'll bet I talked/heard from with 4-5 different people (at) OSH that have 

'plans' to make substitute cowls for RV-10's. Some obviously think 

there's a market there, but I doubt it will support 4-5 vendors.



Deems Davis # 406

'Its all done....Its just not put together'

http://deemsrv10.com/



jdalton77 wrote:

[quote] Maybe they drink lemonade on the porch when it's hot . . .

 I don't see anything about a LoPresti Cowl on Lopresti's website. Is 

 this a new product for them? Cost?

 Jeff Dalton

 Wings



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n8zg(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz?

John - 

  

 Yawner...?

  

 You must have missed the Aeroshell Aerobatic Team's  performances... 8-O

 And  John Mohr is downright inspiring.

 ('course, they're good friends...but...)

  

 Ahhh...Round Engines !

 

neal 

RV-7 N8ZG (cowling) 

 

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W.  Cox

Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:22 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: How's things in  Oz?

 

  

   The airshow each day was a yawner  except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we  watched and listened to EAA –AM radio 1510. 

 

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz?

It's  amazing those Aeroshell planes run at all with some of the guys they have working on them!!  

Sorry Neal, couldn't help myself. 

  

Rick S. 

40185 

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n8zg(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz?

No sense apologizing for the  truth...

  

 neal

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It's  amazing those Aeroshell planes run at all with some of the guys  they have working on them!!  

Sorry Neal, couldn't help myself. 

  

Rick S. 

40185 

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marcausman

Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: 70

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: Re: How's things in Oz?

Michael and other RV builders - 



If you are interested in the product, and price is the last deciding factor, I encourage you to do an analysis of the savings that come from the product. First, there are many things you don't have to buy like breakers, switches, dimmers, wig mag modules, flap control modules, trim relays controls, trim-flap modules, over-voltage and undervoltage protection modules, annunciator panels, etc. These add up to a few thousand dollars.



If you're having your panel built by one of our dealers like Stein or Aerotronics, you can save some more money on labor, as the panel is much simpler and labor charges will be lower.



The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO will approve of. All food for thought.   



On a separate note, the team has been working very hard over the last year and so Vertical Power will be closed the rest of this week and back next Wed (Aug 8th).



Glad to have met you at the BBQ, and hope you can now get things going again and the plane finished relatively soon!



Marc

 	  rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote: 	
		  It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat.  But as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO approvals for the return.  Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic, or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc.



Michael



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RV-7 IO-390 Flying

deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: How's things in Oz?

marcausman wrote:

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		   The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO will approve of. All food for thought.   


	


Hi Marc,

	I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion.  My estimate is that

the Vertical Power system (the glass panel version) would be somewhere

over 3x the cost of the traditional system I had been thinking about

installing.  Do you have a detailed cost breakout of everything that

your system replaces versus a traditional system?



Thanks,



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118

http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/



"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an

airplane."  --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: How's things in Oz?

Marc,

I too have some of the same concerns as Michael.  I think you have a great product, but my gut is telling me that I can use traditional technology at a much less expensive price point (2x-3x savings).

I suspect that Michael and I aren't the only ones thinking this at the moment.

So here's my request:

Develop a white paper of exactly was is the cost comparison would be using traditional technology versus your product.  If the cost is as close as you indicate, then the white paper should help convince us with tight budgets to take the plunge.

I did enjoy meeting and talking with your team at Michael's last week.  I think you have a great product, I just can't afford it at the moment.

bob

 	  Quote: 	

 From: "marcausman" <marc(at)verticalpower.com>

 Date: 2007/07/31 Tue AM 09:56:34 EST

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?

 Michael and other RV builders - 

 If you are interested in the product, and price is the last deciding factor, I encourage you to do an analysis of the savings that come from the product. First, there are many things you don't have to buy like breakers, switches, dimmers, wig mag modules, flap control modules, trim relays controls, trim-flap modules, over-voltage and undervoltage protection modules, annunciator panels, etc. These add up to a few thousand dollars.

 If you're having your panel built by one of our dealers like Stein or Aerotronics, you can save some more money on labor, as the panel is much simpler and labor charges will be lower.

 The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO will approve of. All food for thought.   

 On a separate note, the team has been working very hard over the last year and so Vertical Power will be closed the rest of this week and back next Wed (Aug 8th).

 Glad to have met you at the BBQ, and hope you can now get things going again and the plane finished relatively soon!

 Marc

 rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote:

 > It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat.  But as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO approvals for the return.  Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic, or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc.

 > 

 > Michael

 > 

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 http://www.verticalpower.com

 RV-7 IO-390 Flying

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126588#126588

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Jon Reining

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 37

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: How's things in Oz?

I was chatting with Stein about his favorite pair of strippers (wire strippers for all those thinking dirty thoughts - his answer was Ideal Strip Masters, by the way) and saw the Vertical Power sign behind him.  I asked him what he thought and he said by the time you installed the VP system, left out the breakers, and time saved by his guys wiring the panel, it came real close to paying for itself.  



No affiliation with Marc, in fact he made me pay for the T-Shirt, but when we buy our system from him I'm going to ask for my $10 back.



Jon Reining (with my dad Bill - who for the record asked Stein about his favorite stripper, not me)

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marcausman

Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: 70

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: How's things in Oz?

 	  rleffler wrote: 	
		  

So here's my request:



Develop a white paper of exactly was is the cost comparison would be using traditional technology versus your product.  If the cost is as close as you indicate, then the white paper should help convince us with tight budgets to take the plunge.



I did enjoy meeting and talking with your team at Michael's last week.  I think you have a great product, I just can't afford it at the moment.



bob

	




Bob, 



There's a white paper here at the top of the page: http://www.verticalpower.com/purchase.html  



The goal is to help you determine if it makes sense for your particular situation, taking into account price and other factors as well.



Marc

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http://www.verticalpower.com "Move up to a modern electrical system"
RV-7 IO-390 Flying

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: How's things in Oz?

Thanks for the update! 



I'm on the road and will read later this weekend.



bob



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 From: "marcausman" <marc(at)verticalpower.com>

 Date: 2007/09/20 Thu PM 09:50:20 EST

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?

 

 

 

 

 rleffler wrote:

 > 

 > So here's my request:

 > 

 > Develop a white paper of exactly was is the cost comparison would be using traditional technology versus your product.  If the cost is as close as you indicate, then the white paper should help convince us with tight budgets to take the plunge.

 > 

 > I did enjoy meeting and talking with your team at Michael's last week.  I think you have a great product, I just can't afford it at the moment.

 > 

 > bob

 > 

 

 

 Bob, 

 

 There's a white paper here at the top of the page: http://www.verticalpower.com/purchase.html  

 

 The goal is to help you determine if it makes sense for your particular situation, taking into account price and other factors as well.

 

 Marc

 

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 Marc Ausman

 http://www.verticalpower.com

 RV-7 IO-390 Flying

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135596#135596

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N410BL - Phase I
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