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franklynn19(at)westnet.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

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I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the ‘G’ suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?  

   

Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.  

   

Frank

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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built  wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts  alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc.  I  like my air brakes part of the adventure.

  

 I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't  leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like  breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use  it. Looks good hanging in the hanger.

  

 Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to  many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full  court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look  really bad! (Want to race?)

  

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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing  freely through the lines.

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franklynn19(at)westnet.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Might need a snort valve like the Yak-52 perhaps?  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

 Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:36 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com; franknlynn

 Subject: Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?  

  

     

Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the lines.  

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delfin(at)mail.pf
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put the water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics. Working perfectly since many years.

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[quote]Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the lines.

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franklynn19(at)westnet.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

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Thanks Bill,  

   

Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be.  

   

Thanks Jean,  

   

Did you make up the special connector for the ‘G’ suit yourself and would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?  

   

Thanks to everyone for your input.  

   

Frank  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

 Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?  

  

     

2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc.  I like my air brakes part of the adventure.  

    

   

    

I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger.  

    

   

    

Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?)  

    

   

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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Please send pix and where can I get  one.

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delfin(at)mail.pf
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

I thing so, I don't know the Yak-52. The work had been made by a tzech team some years ago

Le 1 août 07 à 14:50, franknlynn a écrit :

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Might need a snort valve like the Yak-52 perhaps?

 



From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of BillSent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:36 AMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com); franknlynnSubject: Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?



 

Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the lines.

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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Rear cockpit along the left side wall. When you  remove the old radios, there is room on both sides. You should beable to take  out over 400 pounds. I still fill the oxy from the nose as usual. We have about  4 hours at 24,000'. (2 pilots)

  

 Dave Cannavo cell is 302-528-1601  home is  302-378-1396. On the East coast of the USA.

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Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

If you must have O2, ( I wanted it cause it gave me a reason to wear the mask with my helmet), put a modern kevlar  3000PSI bottle up front ( you're probably nose light if you've removed all your radios, and russion O2 bottles) then get a High pressure to Low pressure regulator 3000PSI to 300 PSIon the bottle. Run low pressure lines to Litton L-1011 regulators which you can buy on E-Bay all day long. I have 3 of them. These are the same regulators that you see in your Nigerion Flight manuals for the L29. They fit perfectly on the starboard side deck. 



Ernie

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delfin(at)mail.pf
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

for Franck,Someone make it for me many years ago. You need a east anti-G. You have to cut the male part going in the female part on the plane, and a female part for west anti-g. Just assemble the two parts with a hose.

Jean

Le 1 août 07 à 15:03, franknlynn a écrit :

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Thanks Bill,

 

Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be.

 

Thanks Jean,

 

Did you make up the special connector for the ‘G’ suit yourself and would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?

 

Thanks to everyone for your input.

 

Frank

 



From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of BillSent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AMTo: l29-list(at)matronics.com (l29-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?



 

2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc.  I like my air brakes part of the adventure.



 



I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger.



 



Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?)



 

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franklynn19(at)westnet.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Wow you guys, this stuff is pure gold! Thanks for all your info and advice. You don’t know how much I appreciate it. What kind of endurance did you get with that bottle Ernie?  

   

Frank  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez

 Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:28 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?  

  

   

If you must have O2, ( I wanted it cause it gave me a reason to wear the mask with my helmet), put a modern kevlar  3000PSI bottle up front ( you're probably nose light if you've removed all your radios, and russion O2 bottles) then get a High pressure to Low pressure regulator 3000PSI to 300 PSIon the bottle. Run low pressure lines to Litton L-1011 regulators which you can buy on E-Bay all day long. I have 3 of them. These are the same regulators that you see in your Nigerion Flight manuals for the L29. They fit perfectly on the starboard side deck. 

 

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franklynn19(at)westnet.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

O.K thanks Jean.  

   

Frank  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of delfin(at)mail.pf

 Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:31 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?  

  

   

for Franck,    

Someone make it for me many years ago. You need a east anti-G. You have to cut the male part going in the female part on the plane, and a female part for west anti-g. Just assemble the two parts with a hose.  

    

Jean      

Le 1 août 07 à 15:03, franknlynn a écrit :  

  



 

     

Thanks Bill,  

   

Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be.  

   

Thanks Jean,  

   

Did you make up the special connector for the ‘G’ suit yourself and would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?  

   

Thanks to everyone for your input.  

   

Frank  

     

     

2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc.  I like my air brakes part of the adventure.   

    

I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger.   

    

Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?)   

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Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Never had any opportunity to use it. An L-29 above 17k feet is looking for fuel. O2 is a novelty, not a real practical item. I spent 95% of my time under 10k feet, 70% under 5k feet and 20% under 2k feet

doing fly by's. You dont go anywhere in L-29's, you fire them up, take off, thank god you gained altitude, then you trim up try to go fast and then say...."OK where do we go now" then you scare some cows and come home and hope you can remember how to land, since its been so long since youve done it before. Then you squeak it on and realize how great this airplane is. 



I remember Bill's words to me "Dont worry Ern, I'tll look like you;re going to smash the nose gear onto the runway.......just hold your speed , and the ground will come up to meet you" Hot Damn!!!!! its works that way every time HEE HEE 



Ernie

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delfin(at)mail.pf
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

You have to wait about 15 days, when i be back in France

Le 1 août 07 à 15:06, Bill a écrit :

[quote]Please send pix and where can I get one.

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Colyergreg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

I put us regulators in mine out of a T-38.  High pressure bottle with a reducer to feed the regulators.  works awesome.  I use it on cross country flights and anytime above 10K

  

 Greg





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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

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Hi Frank  

   

Original brakes work fine.  My system not holding pressure that well at the moment.  Rear canopy not losing any air at all.  

   

I am waiting on parts to restore the original oxy system – want to get it operational – then I can also use my mask!  

   

What I want to do is create an independence on ground kit for those occasional away flights.  One idea I had is to plum the oxy bottles into the main air but via a valve.  This way, if you fly away from home, even if main air empty, one can open valve creating a huge common air storage – pressure & volume will be enough to fly safely.  

   

Something to consider with this system or if you have onboard system for main is the ability to charge the rear canopy system.  Another idea is to get a small “pony” bottle of air and keep it in the aircraft to charge rear system.  

   

While we on the subject of mods – be careful the battery terminals are well insulated and nothing in the nose can come loose and short them – we lost one L-29 here a few years back that caught fire when a metal object shorted the battery in the nose compartment.  

   

I use original g-suit – got a brand new one, works great.  No fittings or mods to create.  What size are you?  You must get the correct size, mine was a once off thing, but will make some enquiries.  

   

Jorgen  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of franknlynn

 Sent: 02 August 2007 01:52 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?  

  

   

I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the ‘G’ suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?  

   

Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.  

   

Frank

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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Many of us have done the modification  making all bottles available for brakes. Put a valve in the cockpit so when you  see your brake is low you can top it off or just put enough in it to  stop.

  

 Your rear system shouldn't leak at  all. Very easy to find leaks in back canopy. 

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Colyergreg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Jorgen,

   Get your stuff yet?   It went out about 2 weeks ago.  sorry about the delay.

  

 Greg





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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?

Hi Greg  

   

Thanks – no not yet, will be keeping an eye out for it.  

   

That’s great, no probs re delay.  

   

Regards Jorgen  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colyergreg(at)aol.com

 Sent: 02 August 2007 07:57 PM

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Jorgen,  

    

  Get your stuff yet?   It went out about 2 weeks ago.  sorry about the delay.  

    

   

    

Greg  

  



 

     

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