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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
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Scott,
I spent a little time talking with them and they are working on a remote mount system with dual antennas and built in expansion for an ADS-B module. I believe that product is going to be around $4500. You can also remote mount the XRX unit and tie it into your Garmin or anything else they output to. When it's tied into one of the other systems it essentially is a remote unit and doesn't display anything on its internal screen other than the data type output.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:06 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions
I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will make a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were going to do that?
I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out with it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plane (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
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I talked with the GRT people and they are going to display the output of the XRX on their EFIS.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions
Scott,
I spent a little time talking with them and they are working on a remote mount system with dual antennas and built in expansion for an ADS-B module. I believe that product is going to be around $4500. You can also remote mount the XRX unit and tie it into your Garmin or anything else they output to. When it’s tied into one of the other systems it essentially is a remote unit and doesn’t display anything on its internal screen other than the data type output.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:06 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions
I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will make a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were going to do that?
I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out with it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plane (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic.
ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? I know there were some forums on it but for the first time in many years I didn't make it to one forum. Maybe someone who attended one of the forums can give us an update. I know MIT is doing some work on it and they are looking for a private company to continue development and maintenance of it.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
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From: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450(at)comcast.net>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM
Subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions
I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at: http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496 screen.
Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have for traffic?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
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At least a year ago, if not more, I was told that the GTX330 would
have this capability....but that it still relies on an ADS-B
system which is the usual GDL-90. The GTX-330 is just the
"communicator" for the system. So I wouldn't expect the cost to
be low, because nothing from Garmin is. I'm hoping for a
3rd party to come out with something competitive.
As for the weather though, I've heard that the weather that's
available through ADS-B is very minimal, and that when you
compare them, it makes the WSI / XM stuff look very much worth
paying the extra for. I guess even the garmin guys don't
recommend using ADS-B weather right now, if you talk to the
technical folks. I guess you get what you pay for, and until
the FAA starts charging a good sized fee for the Wx then
they'd have no big incentive to make it too nice. Besides
that, it's kind of hard for the government to try to provide
for free those services when they'd hurt competing commercial
interests....so I wouldn't hold out much hope for ADS-B's
weather to be great. If they do it right, it'll be a good
Traffic system....but there I'd rather see a cheaper version
of the Avidyne system or something.
On the flip side, WSI and XM are constantly trying to add more
features and capabilities to their service. It's one of
those situations where private is better than government....as
opposed to the garbage that they're pulling with FSS and ATC,
hoping to privatize that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
| Quote: | Since I already have a pair of Garmin GNS 430W’s and the GTX
330 in my RV-10, I am sure hoping that I could have a full ADBS system
with this new Garmin blackbox and a GTX 330 upgrade. I hope this
solution will provide the full benefits of ADSB including the weather
and that we aren’t forced to go to the more expensive GDL 90 to get the
full feature set that ADSB will provide.
Thank You
*Ray Doerr*
40250
N519RV
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*GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
*Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:40 AM
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*Subject:* Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision
Avoidance System Qu...
In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
apilot2(at)gmail.com writes:
I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought
ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC
equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder
and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they
were buying several hundred units.
So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park?
P
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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
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Just to stir the pot....where do you think the weather data comes from?
We are already paying for that and should have access to it, and if the
government can ship it to us for a lower cost then we as tax payers
should be allowed to receive it.
I do agree that XM and WSI are using their satellites to ship it to us
and that is where the $50 fee comes from, but ADS-B should provide the
same service if not better once we are equipped for it, to make it less
so that a commercial venture can make money is a waste of tax payer
money.
Just my usual .02
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E
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Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System |
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I agree totally.
On another note the FAA keeps referring to ADSB using UAT's are being the cheapest solution for GA, but the street cost of the GDL 90 from Garmin alone is $7K. I guess the FAA think we are made of money. Mean wile the cost to upgrade a GTX 330 transponder is likely to be much less since it is software only from what I have researched. Now the 1090ES capable transponder will not be able to support FIS-B for in cockpit weather, TFR's etc, but will likely meet the ADS-B 2020 mandate.
With all the airplane out there now upgrading there 430's and 530's to WAAS, why does Garmin create a new product that just has the UAT transceiver without the WAAS GPS. This may help make it cheaper. I for one already have two GPS antennas on the top of my plane and I don't want any more. Add to that the new 406 ELT's with GPS and you have a antenna farm on top of your airplane. I wish manufactures would just start to interface to external equipment instead of embedding a GPS into every device.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
N519RV
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