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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: Flush door latch |
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How many people have installed a flush door latch and how did they work?
I have thought about using the Cross Aviation or some from a Glasair Sportsman?
Thanks,
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Flush door latch |
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Rob, I installed them, other than being a bit pricey and having to fab
your own linkage ,there's really no issue, They are much improved in
appearance. Here's a link to an album that has 20 + pics of the install.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/slides/DSC03614.html
And here's the log page that contains links to the write ups of all of
the steps that correspond to the plans section
http://deemsrv10.com/cabinwindowslogindex.html
I know that Rivethead (aka Davie Chazowrowski) is working on a new
handle set to replace Van's. it's not flush, but the inside handle is
very attractive by comparison.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
RobHickman(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | How many people have installed a flush door latch and how did they work?
I have thought about using the Cross Aviation or some from a Glasair
Sportsman?
Thanks,
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: Flush door latch |
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Rob,
Check out these too http://www.iflyrv10.com/iflyrv10/index.html. I bought a set a couple days ago. They are in transit so I don’t have them yet. They are supposed to work with the stock Vans doorlatch assembly and pushrods.
-Ben
PDX
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Subject: Flush door latch
How many people have installed a flush door latch and how did they work?
I have thought about using the Cross Aviation or some from a Glasair Sportsman?
Thanks,
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
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Nick Leonard
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 35
Location: Sacramento, CA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Flush door latch |
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Rob,
I ended up using the ACS Experimental Door Handles which uses the same billet style as the others. It’s made by Hendricks Manufacturing;
http://www.hendricksmfg.com/latchprod.html
and I now see that you can buy them direct for less than what I paid at ACS. Go figure.
The outside flush mount came out very nicely, although the full-size template that came with the unit isn’t really full-size. It was actually easier to just do a layout, centering the pivot point with the handle opening recess of the door. That part of the installation was easy and came out very nicely. The outside flush handles will look great. However, it was the looks of the inside handles that I couldn’t stand and prompted the change.
Hendricks cautions you not to take the units apart. There is a small spring and ball bearing that is used for the detent that needs to be captured. I’m not sure I could have fit the unit without taking it apart but putting it back together while on the plane will be more challenging than if it was out on the bench. However, it is certainly doable.
I used the inside handles (I needed to reverse them side for side) and created a fiberglass cover that will protect the handle from being accidentally opened while it also covers the fiberglass that I had to cut out of the door (most of the handle recess area). You lose the button locking functionality with these handles which isn’t an issue on the outside but needs a solution on the inside so that someone doesn’t accidentally yank it open while in flight. My fiberglass covers will protect the handles sufficiently so that there are no exposed edges of the handles to be caught.
Because the pivoting offset of the new handles is different than Van’s, I couldn’t see how to use the original geared arrangement. I used the same pushrod tubing but created a pivot point near the outside of the door. I also put a second nylon block just inside of the original locations to support greater alignment surface of the push pins.
I also used the Door Guide and Pin Set from Rivethead,
http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm
which I think will work out very well. There are no instructions for how to blind mount the guides (drilled and screwed from the back) which I haven’t decided on a solution yet. They are also thicker then the door opening, so I will either need to mill them down or relieve them into the fiberglass door jam.
It took a lot of extra time to figure out how to adapt the pushrods which Steve has done with flat stock in his door handle solution.
http://www.iflyrv10.com/iflyrv10/index.html
I don’t see what he proposes for inside door handles but I like the rest of his approach and it would probably be the approach I would select if I were to so it over again. Using the tubular stock for push rods required that I buy eight rod end bearings (at $9 apiece) to thread into the tubes for pivot points.
A side comment; the Hendricks door locks are way too big (sticking out). I’m going to try to adapt the locks used on the baggage door which will add the advantage of them all being keyed the same.
Otherwise, I love the look of the flush outside handles. I miss the button release feature for the inside handles and I love the Door Guide and Pin sets. It reminded me once again of how much extra time it takes to change away form anything that is not on the plans.
Nick (40015, finish kit)
C: 916-425-1064 Nick(at)NLeonard.com
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speckter(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: Flush door latch |
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It is hard to tell from pix but do these flush handles have a safety lock on the inside to prevent inadvertent opening in flight?
Gary
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kdbelue(at)charter.net
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: Flush door latch |
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Nick,
I installed the ACS flush handles like you did. It was a lot of work, but I
like the way it turned out. As you've said, there is no internal latch to
hold the handle in place - I made a thin arm rest out of wood and foam that
the handle fits into to prevent the handle from accidentally being opened in
flight. The handle closes tightly so I think it will work alright. I also
used the Rivethead guides. I had installed the Van's guides before I'd heard
of the Rivethead parts, so if you do that first the guides will go right in
place of Van's guides. The Rivethead parts work soooo much better than Van's
guides. They guide the door into the same exact position every time and the
pins guide in perfectly. I think they should be a part of the kit because
they work so well.
I also disassembled the latch mechanism many times and find it fairly easy
to reassemble. Just be careful of that spring-loaded ball!
Kevin Belue
RV-6A 700+ hrs.
RV10 - finishing
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capsteve
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Flush door latch |
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I've got to admit, I got my inspiration from the handles offered by Hendricks mfg. and another from overseas. I was to be a customer but I was disappointed on the size of the handle and lack of adaptability to our specific application. So I drew up a handle meeting several criteria.
first, I wanted the profile to fit within the door, (1" thick)
second, I didn't want to modify the vans interior handle and latch/lock assembly. Everything inside the door is as vans intended. Especially the inside lock.
third, I wanted to make it specifically for the rv10, not a generic "make it work" kind of part...
fourth, I wanted the exterior handle placed in the rear of the door where I climb up to ease access.
Additional considerations were also (kiss), ambidextrous parts (all but one!), the ability to add key cylinders, and the ability to add the handle to a flying aircraft as easily as one during construction.
Oh by the way, we build airplanes by gosh, so I expect everyone to take the handles apart, so I include an extra spring and bearing....
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
716.579.5790
(sorry if this sounded like a commercial but I had a few emails already asking what makes mine different)
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speckter(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: Flush door latch |
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Part of the ugliness of Van's latches is the inside handle. IMHO if you make that look as pretty as your outside, and it locks in flight you will have a winner.
Gary
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