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Michael Sharp

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 118
Location: Oak Grove, MO (Kansas City)

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

When I was training for my PPL there were a "cluster" of towers between two

airports we frequented, it took NOAA almost 2 years to get the towers on the

charts.... That was in the 80's



"current" is relative I guess.... 



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Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

So what you really want is MORE regulation, right?



What ever you do ,,,,,,,,,, please  do not archive



On Feb 16, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Ralph Hoover wrote:



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 <flht99reh(at)netzero.com>



 Towers, no not the ones that are at the airports, but the ones  

 everywhere else. The more I get up (in the air, not out of bed),  

 the more I wonder about the mindset behind the towers: cell,  

 microwave, radio and God know what else out there.



 As I go along the freeway (in an automobile, but soon in the Kolb),  

 I notice that there doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason (from  

 my prospective) as to when there lit. Tall ones sometimes are lit  

 in some places, while not in other places during the day. Small or  

 low ones close to the ground and near trees sometimes are lit and  

 others in clearings are not. Some are during the day, all day and  

 all night and some, not at all during the day but also not at  

 night. Some are lit when it is overcast or foggy or raining or  

 dark, but not night, while others were not. Some that had taller  

 towers near them (within a couple thousand feet) were not lit if  

 one or another was lit around it. It didn't have to be the taller  

 one that was lit in conditions where there were two or three mixed  

 (read: cell, radio, microwave) towers near them. I could go up the  

 freeway or down the freeway (interstate I-71 or I-70) or major  

 state highways (State route 3 in Ohio) and it didn't make any  

 differenc!

  e. Nothing from all outward appearances indicated any form of  

 uniformity.



 Now I know that as ultra heavy drivers we arent supposed to be out  

 more than one half hour before sunrise or same after sunset. But  

 anyone that flies (or drives a car) knows that many of those towers  

 blend in to the surrounding community quite well and on an overcast  

 day darned near impossible to recognize as they are for the most  

 part "grey" in color. So I decided to do a little research. What I  

 found out was amazing and worth everyones better understanding. And  

 the ironic way I found out these things and the proper web sites  

 was in itself very surprising.



 Now I knew what I was looking for: "Towers" and "lighting"! But you  

 should also know that those words are synonymous with (ready)  

 Airports! So I did some further analyzing, which I am not all that  

 good at but knew that somebody within the Federal Avaiation Groups  

 would have to have some major say in what sticks up in the sky. And  

 I was right. Near airports at airports in airports and effecting  

 airports. But what I didnt know was that the FAA does not dictate  

 towers requirements outside of the above (notice I said dictate as  

 in rule, law over, demand, command).  They study the potential  

 effect to entering into, exiting from, on property and effects upon  

 military set aside areas. In their own words they do not have  

 authority over location, size, color, lighting, blinking, flashing:  

 red or white lighting of towers directly. They study, advise,  

 suggest needs, best suited to air safety effects by towers. Other  

 than approach and departures slopes and angles, they have no direct  

 sa!

  y-so!



 The FCC has the say-so! Ah-ha!!



 And how I found this information was indirectly through (ready) a  

 bird organization web site. Their concern was that the lights and  

 the towers were major concerns and killers to migrating birds and  

 that someone has to do something about those &

 %$#$#7 towers. The FAA responded by indication that they are not in  

 authority regarding the towers that they can only make suggestions.  

 As I continued in my unwavering persuit of  just who in government  

 is monitoring and establishing regulations regarding flight safety,  

 I came across the book according to the FAA. This is called  

 Advisory Circular

 AC 70/7460-1K Obstruction Marking and lighting (and you may find  

 same by typing in said same in the search engine of your choice).   

 In this advisory there are 62 pages of information. But I still  

 could not decipher why some little towers were lit during the day  

 and no tall towers. Or vice-versa. When do they come on (something  

 to do with lumens and distance) and what takes place if there are  

 two or three in a near piece of geography or what I call tower  

 farms. It appears that there are structural concerns, locations  

 concerns for the sake of power lines, buildings, neighbors etc but  

 no continuity that says all 500 foot towers must be lit 24/7 or  

 towers above xx feet above nearby vegetation, buildings or other  

 towers must be lit and blinking at certain times day or night or  

 anything about visibility regarding them in daylight or the lack  

 thereof. Amazing, no?



 As a matter of fact, If an individual like you or I see a tower  

 that we believe should be flashing and isnt we wouldnt know who to  

 contact or if by the FAAs study and subsequent suggestion or the  

 manufacturers installation or the owners understand or agreement,  

 even if its required to be lit. Now I know that these arent  

 concerns to everyone around, say like Arizona, Nevada, Texas,  

 Oregon or other large land masses more sparsely populated. But here  

 in populas Ohio, Ind, PA, Mich, NY, Ill and many other states they  

 are beginning to become great concerns.  Especially as cell towers  

 are getting put up everywhere, and these people (Verizon, Sprint,  

 ATT, etc) dont share tower space that often.



 And so we dont get confused here with my wrongly directed concerns  

 as to night flying or flying at the edge of the light envelope. I  

 have to say that the FAA and our mutual concerns should always be  

 visibility of all obstructions for the sake of safety. I also know  

 that some will be quick to say know your flight path or thats what  

 charts are for; read-um! But I would be somewhat confident in  

 saying; yet I will not speak for the John Haucks of the world, with  

 towers going up everywhere daily, we need all the help we can get.  

 It only makes sense (perhaps not common sense (because we wouldnt  

 want some bird to be blinded and ram into a tower and get killed),  

 that some major simple standard be established that would say  

 simply if your flying at 800  1400 feet you will know by the  

 blinking flashing light that there is a tower close by even during  

 the day. It wouldnt be all that difficult to create a reflector  

 that would cause the flashing, blinking lights to be invisible at  

 or nea!

  r ground level but at tower level or within say 200 -300 feet  

 below, quite visible.



 I would really like some feedback here and If the FAA is reading;  

 your advise, wisdom, input would be very welcome. And if youre a  

 bird lover, Im sure we can do some multi billion dollar study that  

 would determine bird species in the tower area, their level of  

 color perception and without eliminating the ability on the part of  

 us fliers, produce the flashing blinking light in a mutually  

 satisfactory color.



 Ralph of Ohiogood or bad!





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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Please reread my post! Your chart if it were in Ohio would be no guarantee!

Especially if the lights out, as I stated or it wasn't on the chart in the

first place, as stated (new) or it was located new near an existing tower.



Bad Ralph from Ohio



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

That was part of what I was trying to convey in my post. The chart is the

best we have available, but no guarantee. And if your craft or someone's did

hit a tower, I guess it would be your burden to prove it wasn't on the

chart, you couldn't see it, no one could see it, it wasn't lit! I agree wit

you. But you at least found out who was the responsible Gov org to contact.

Unless you are able to walk up to a tower and get its 'Tower number" even if

you contacted the official party in charge, you would need give them the Lat

& Lon or the Tower number. Still no guarantee since they are only a

Government 'Suggesting" authority in the instance of towers.



Ralph of Ohio



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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

NOTAMs are _supposed_ to provide up-to-the-minute (well, day, anyway) info

on towers, and are best searched for by airport identifier... for example,

when I looked at the NOTAMs for my home airport, I saw this:



TOWER 440 (375 AGL) 12 E LGTS OTS (ASR 1048128) WIE UNTIL 25 FEB 22:30



But, as everyone has noted, you can't rely on this or any other method than

"see and avoid".   Basically, you want to tool around in the airspace, you

need to keep your eyes open for other objects in that same space.  There is

no other guaranteed method.



  -- Robert



On 2/17/06, flht99reh <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> wrote:

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 That was part of what I was trying to convey in my post. The chart is the

 best we have available, but no guarantee. And if your craft or someone's

 did

 hit a tower, I guess it would be your burden to prove it wasn't on the

 chart, you couldn't see it, no one could see it, it wasn't lit! I agree

 wit

 you. But you at least found out who was the responsible Gov org to

 contact.

 Unless you are able to walk up to a tower and get its 'Tower number" even

 if

 you contacted the official party in charge, you would need give them the

 Lat

 & Lon or the Tower number. Still no guarantee since they are only a

 Government 'Suggesting" authority in the instance of towers.



 Ralph of Ohio

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formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
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rsanoa

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 71
Location: Bell Buckle,TN

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Nothing tops a swiveling head in the cockpit.

  do not archive



flht99reh <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> wrote: 

  



Please reread my post! Your chart if it were in Ohio would be no guarantee!

Especially if the lights out, as I stated or it wasn't on the chart in the

first place, as stated (new) or it was located new near an existing tower.



Bad Ralph from Ohio



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

" So what you really want is MORE regulation, right?"



Do you work for the Tower Company? 



The reason I ask is that any sound American enjoying the fruits of our labor

and struggling to make ends meet (there's a clash) knows that all we need is

ONE MORE STINKING RULE! No sir, I want less regulations, but for the

regulations that are in place, how much more would it take to do the job

right? Government is the mouth without the teeth in this instance!

"What-ya-gonna-do, gum me?" FAA says our job is safety for the air. Tower

people say our job is to put up towers cheaply where ever we want, with the

least amount or federacy intervention. One is our representative the other

is big business getting bigger. And how long do you believe our freedom of

"free" flight would continue if we all went banging into towers and the fact

that they couldn't be seen is your problem. Cause after all "no body told

you to fly those dangerous things in the first place". One more freedom and

right down the tube. (I came from the Harley hardcore world and Ohio didn't

have a helmet law and all these nice people driving their nice SUV's with

their kids running around in the vehicle un restrained wanted me to wear a

helmet for my safety, because when they hit me I could live in a vegetated

state in a bell jar in a hospital lots longer since I had a helmet on, go

figure...another story).



"Somebody out there slap me"!



I would love to leave it to common sense. I would love to say "uncle sugar"

please keep out of our sandbox. I would love to know that every time I went

flying that everything was in place to make that particular trip enjoyable

because there is nothing out there to bother me "IF" I maintain my equipment

and self in the best order possible, however preparing for the worst if I

can see it. I feel that your rights end when they interfere in my rights.

And until someone tells me that I no longer have that right, or that my

right and your right can co-exist without any more degrading of my rights as

they are in place, you as the tower man, the regulating Government body over

the tower man, or the owner of the tower have a total responsibility to make

every attempt to make my existing space unencumbered. But I guess I live in

a bubble of unreality and that by clicking my heals three times it won't

make the problem go away. As I would fight to maintain my right to bear

arms, continue to stand for this nation in time of war, continue to stand to

maintain to the last dying breath, your rights in this nation, I would also

stand to make responsible parties become responsible!  Come-on Toto, were

goin-a-go tin man hunting!



Off to see the wizard...Ralph of Ohio



 



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Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

WELL......................................I.................never......!

Sorry, I looked everywhere I could and all I found was what I shared and a

letter to the save the bird people from the FAA stating that they "can't and

don't regulate but only suggest", regarding towers. 



Man, do I feel in the crapper with this one. I tell-ya-kids, anyone that

doesn't think this is the best informed most polite aviation site on the

internet is missing the plane. See, you didn't say "you stupid idiot" or"

you ignorant twit" or any of the other great one-liners that would have been

exuded by the world when the vultures see a limping rat on the ground. Thank

you. 



Because of your kind response of correction out of love, I have moved your

name to the list previously shared by John Houck and Pat from over there.

And to the board, I apologize for my ignorance, but thank you for your input

, now I'm going out and find my battery operated suicide kit, and practice

(gonna remove the battery)! HA, HA!



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Towers are like trees and power lines.  Lots more trees and power 

lines, although it seems towers are gaining on them.  Folks fly into 

trees and power lines all the time.  Occasionally, they fly into 

towers, most often, I would guess, during IMC flight.



I do a lot of flying, the majority, in the realm of the tower.  I 

prefer flying lower, rather than higher.  I know better than put all 

my confidence in a sectional chart or the obstacle avoidance feature 

which is new to my Garmin 196 GPS.  The reason is all towers don't get 

put on the sectionals or the obstacle avoidance system.  It is the one 

that gets forgotten that will get me.  As Ray Anderson says, "Keep 

your head on a swivel."



I like the new obstacle avoidance feature.  It is a big help keeping 

me clear of towers.  However, every once in a while I will detect a 

tower that is not showing on the display.  If is is close by my line 

of flight it send a chill down my spine.  That is the scary one.



Local area flying, if you fly often enough, you can keep up with what 

is and what isn't in your area.  Cross country flying is another ball 

game when it comes to towers.



john h

MKIII/912ULS

hauck's holler, alabama

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hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

flht99reh(at)netzero.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

John, I'm glad you responded. The more I learn about flying, charts, air

speed, instrumentation, clouds, altitude and wind the greater my

appreciation grows for those of you that do some distance flying on a

somewhat regular basis. As a humble man that you are, I appreciate the ways

that you present your position on issues, that's why you're at the top as

the reference point to compare others responses. 



I look at my local chart which because of my particular location (Columbus

Ohio area) requires two sectional maps and my head swims. I don't profess to

grasp as much as I used to in my youth, yet I'm still open minded enough to

be willing to swallow my pride and learn from others, therefore, there is

hope. I want to absorb as much information from people like yourself as

possible because it does reduce the growth cycle time, even though personal

experience stays longer, entrenches deeper and is a better testimony than

telling someone that "someone else told me so". Like John Williamson's

response to me on the tower issue, or Ray Andersons about the swiveling head

(I seem to have a bobbing head at times), or Robert Laird and the NOTAM's

(wish I could afford some of these goodies), or even Michael Sharps off site

e-mail, all helpful, informative and educational, and funny. And all out of

kindness and love and respect. There is something about talking with men

that have been in the trenches that makes getting into the trenches a lot

easier. It is about the sharing of wisdom, mistakes, pictures, fun and

problems that help grow a sport, hobby, or interest to a point that others

want to be a part of it. That is what you John and so many others like you

do and because of individuals like Matt did in putting this site together,

which make this one of the fastest growing closest knit bunch (verses

gander) of flier sites around. Thank you all. 



Ohio Ralph



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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

On 2/17/06, flht99reh <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> wrote:

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 or Robert Laird and the NOTAM's

 (wish I could afford some of these goodies)


	




No cost involved... go to:  http://www.faa.gov/ntap/



  -- Robert

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Dave Pelletier

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Prescott, Arizona

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Ralph,



    A couple of years ago when Copperstate was being held at Phoenix 

Regional Airport, I complained to the management about a high (?) tower 

located a relatively short distance from the field and it had no lights.  It 

sure seemed to me that a tower that high should have a strobe or something 

on it.   T'wernt nothin they could do about it.  Seems to me that its an 

accident/lawsuit waiting to happen.



AzDave



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Sorry, Robert, I was not think of the NOTAM's, but of one of the gauges, I

believe transponder signal device, or something in the instrument panel on

more elaborate planes that pings your position to the airport tower. Right

after I sent it out I recalled that the day before I was on that particular

site. Thanks again.



Ralph



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Dave that was the initial reason for my post. Within 5 miles of my home in

Central Ohio off a major state highway there is an airport, private, but

none the less airport.(Chapman Field, Centerburg Ohio). Within a couple of

miles at most there are towers ranging from 500 feet (guesstimate) to

12-15,00 feet. Some blink always, some I have never observed blink. Why is

this and who do I ask? That's was my initial search. Now I know that if you

see a tower that you know has always been blinking and isn't, and you can

get up near it and get the tower number, you can contact FAA or FCC or the

tower owner. And if it is writing, they (the tower owner) have a specific

amount of time to respond to an agency indicating their acknowledgment of

being advised and that they: are, have, or will fix it. And that for every

day it is not fixed, they are subject to a fine. I would also assume (fool

that I may be) that if an accident should occur, and that accident prove to

be directly related to the blinking out, who takes the responsibility. I'm

not looking to find a guilty party here. I'm not a lawyer. I am an

individual concerned with so many places in the world where people, places

and things "fall thru the cracks"! 



If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit 24/7 ,

and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not down like a

pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could live with that. I'm

not professing to be qualified to know as much as the experts, but

complexity requires experts, pages and pages of description and explanation

and my way is short, sweet and simple. A one page proposal requiring no

complexity, thereby no experts and of course no lawyers. That would probably

be its downfall. Certainly lumen candle power, flash rate and a few other

things would need to be established, but basically quite simple. But still

we have no idea why three towers near me, of differing heights, and some

blink, some don't some during the day but others not. And even in the

information so far described to me, I still don't see an explanation to the

reason why some blink and some don't



Ohio Ralph



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David.Lehman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 265
Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Ralph...



The FAA entity with that responsibility is the Airports Division...  I don't

know what office has responsibility for your particular area, but you can

call your local FSDO and they'll give you a contact number...



Years ago, I ferried a Great Lakes biplane from Galesburg, IL to Spokane, WA

at low altitude, I was blown away at the number and height of transmission

towers...  Pretty ominous...



David

On 2/17/06, flht99reh <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> wrote:

[quote]

 



 Dave that was the initial reason for my post. Within 5 miles of my home in

 Central Ohio off a major state highway there is an airport, private, but

 none the less airport.(Chapman Field, Centerburg Ohio). Within a couple of

 miles at most there are towers ranging from 500 feet (guesstimate) to

 12-15,00 feet. Some blink always, some I have never observed blink. Why is

 this and who do I ask? That's was my initial search. Now I know that if

 you

 see a tower that you know has always been blinking and isn't, and you can

 get up near it and get the tower number, you can contact FAA or FCC or the

 tower owner. And if it is writing, they (the tower owner) have a specific

 amount of time to respond to an agency indicating their acknowledgment of

 being advised and that they: are, have, or will fix it. And that for every

 day it is not fixed, they are subject to a fine. I would also assume (fool

 that I may be) that if an accident should occur, and that accident prove

 to

 be directly related to the blinking out, who takes the responsibility. I'm

 not looking to find a guilty party here. I'm not a lawyer. I am an

 individual concerned with so many places in the world where people, places

 and things "fall thru the cracks"!



 If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit 24/7 ,

 and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not down like

 a

 pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could live with that. I'm

 not professing to be qualified to know as much as the experts, but

 complexity requires experts, pages and pages of description and

 explanation

 and my way is short, sweet and simple. A one page proposal requiring no

 complexity, thereby no experts and of course no lawyers. That would

 probably

 be its downfall. Certainly lumen candle power, flash rate and a few other

 things would need to be established, but basically quite simple. But still

 we have no idea why three towers near me, of differing heights, and some

 blink, some don't some during the day but others not. And even in the

 information so far described to me, I still don't see an explanation to

 the

 reason why some blink and some don't



 Ohio Ralph



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

 	  Quote: 	
		   If it were clear and concise that all towers over xxx feet are lit

 24/7 , and if that "lit" were blinking, constant, aimed up and out not

 down like a pick-up truck on your bumper, I believe everyone could

 live with that. I'm not professing to be qualified to know as much as

 the experts, but complexity requires experts, pages and pages of

 description and explanation and my way is short, sweet and 

simple.
	


http://tinyurl.com/do6pr



Is this the simplicity you're looking for?



47 CFR part 17

Jim Baker

580.788.2779

'71 SV,  492TC

Elmore City, OK

flht99reh(at)netzero.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Jim, Thank you. And YES! Someone else got me there before you. But again,

read that whole thing (the site you sent me to) and tell me: "why some blink

regardless of size and are or are not lit during the day and or night and

may be next to several others ones shorter or taller that are or are not

blinking"! That's all I need now, or for that matter in the beginning of

this thread. As the battery bunny commercial says "still working"! Only I'm

still searching..for that one final answer.



They made the rules and even they do not get to know the answer!



Cornfused Ralph in Ohio!



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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

 	  Quote: 	
		   again, read that whole thing (the site you sent me to) and tell me:

 "why some blink regardless of size and are or are not lit during the

 day and or night and may be next to several others ones shorter or

 taller that are or are not blinking"! That's all I need now


	




I generally geyt paid to do research for other folks....but, what the 

hey......



AC 70/7460-1K

56. GROUP OF OBSTRUCTIONS

When individual objects, except wind turbines, within

a group of obstructions are not the same height and are

spaced a maximum of (XXX) apart, the

prominent objects within the group should be lighted

in accordance with the standards for individual

obstructions of a corresponding height. If the outer

structure is shorter than the prominent, the outer

structure should be lighted in accordance with the

standards for individual obstructions of a

corresponding height. Light units should be placed to

ensure that the light is visible to a pilot approaching

from any direction. In addition, at least one flashing

beacon should be installed at the top of a prominent

center obstruction or on a special tower located near

the center of the group.



Betcha the FAA/FCC has bought off on the group scenario. The XXX 

in the above is mine since various lighting types have different 

standards, and even within the same lighting type, depending on 

heights involved.



Jim Baker

580.788.2779

'71 SV,  492TC

Elmore City, OK

jlbaker(at)telepath.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Forgot to add...



http://tinyurl.com/acx72

and

http://tinyurl.com/9xpsy

There may be unregistered structures involved as well. I 

haven't found the cutoff data/date or anything definitive but get 

the impression that there wasn't a big push to get these 

structures registerd except to get a "No Hazard" determination 

from the FAA. The FCC controls the radiation of signal, not 

the reception of signal for the FAA would be the sole arbiter in 

reception structure cases.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it... ; )





Jim Baker

580.788.2779

'71 SV,  492TC

Elmore City, OK

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: Those flashing & blinking & blinking and flashing!

Ahhh....strike that crap about reception/transmission......had a mind 

fart there....



Jim Baker

580.788.2779

'71 SV,  492TC

Elmore City, OK

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