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No it was not the first flight in my Kitfox... But it was the first time my trusty and true 582 did anything but what it was supposed to do.
I finally got the plane up to the pond today. There were large sections of the pond that were glassy smooth with other sections that had the slightest of ripples on it. Mosquitoes could hardly bother me as I spread my wings and did my first pre-flight in almost a year.... It's been a poor summer for flying, what can I say? The flight controls were checked and perfect, The engine controls were operating flawlessly. I had the rear ropes removed from the plane and all that was left was to launch it into the cool clear water of Shipbuilders pond.
The kids swimming & some people enjoying the summer scenery kept asking when I was going to be ready to fly. I replied a number of times in a few minutes. Finally the tail pipe of the Imprezza was gurgling happily in the water and the plane was afloat.
Last week I got that far and no soap... The battery was dead. Today I had a brand new battery and if that failed there was always the cables in the back of the car. Come hell or high water I was going to fly!
The tanks were filled to ten gallons, enough for a good hour plus. The second check of everything was A-OK. Inflatable life vest on I finally climbed aboard. The frog in my throat bit my tonsils as I shouted "Clear" the trusty 582 jumped to life and then just as quickly died. A couple of primes and it roared to life again.
For a minute or two I was playing with the primer to keep the engine running..... Darn the enrichener is on full... A flick of the control and everything smoothed out to what I expected. I started the stopwatch.
At two minutes I increase the throttle to 3000 rpm. The door is still open and the butterflies playing baseball in my stomach are getting bigger. Is there something I've forgotten??? Five minutes and it's up to 4000 rpm for the mag test. The mag test was textbook with only 100 rpm drop per side. Back to 2000 rpm until the temp gauge hung happily at just over 140. Six minutes (warm up) the magic time I was given and I'm busy with my final check... seat belts, I knew I'd forgotten something. Close and lock the door, now I'm ready to go!
What to heck, Full pitch on the Ivo, full throttle then click the Ivo for 6400rpm... Holy jumpins I just lifted off. Never mind the crow hops, I'm going flying.
The Tiny Tach levelled around 6500 and change, the ASI was solid at 60 and I was heaven bound!
Darn I still can't get over the feeling I've missed something. I decided not to go over any terra firma until I had some serious air under my butt. 2000' came after the first turn of the pond. With every turn I found I was looking less and less at the T&B and paying more attention to my butt. I guess that is why they call it seat of the pants flying. At 2000' I decided to have a little jaunt over the bay ( Notre Dame Bay, Newfoundland) so I headed over the hill to fly over my house and see if my friends next door had made it home from a holiday in Idaho. There was no life to be seen around their place so the next thing to do was to over fly the countless islands which fill the bay.
Half way across the bay ... ( 5 mi or so off shore) on a perfect evening with hardly a ripple to land on, the trusty 582 started to cough. Never mind cough make that full blown bronchitis maybe pneumonia.
You know how they say when the fan stops turning the pilot starts to sweat. The truth is the pilot will be sweating buckets long before that! you don't need to ask any questions on that one!
Hard A-Port and climb like there is no tomorrow (altitude is fuel) Back through the hills and valleys to the pond. The affliction is getting worse! As I reduce throttle #1 EGT nosedives. Will I make it. Never mind, stay tuned to next week Bat man.
I found through experimentation at full throttle the engine worked like parson on payday. As the throttle was pulled back the coughing, missing and fa##ting got worse. And the EGT on cylinder 1 still cooled to the pin almost immediately.
I'm back over land now downwind for my splashdown... My air speed is 60... Flaps.. I pull full flaps as I roll on to a short base. My ASI has just passed 70..... I got to get the nose up ASI 65, 60, 55...Feet wet, 5, 4, 3 feet.... Did I just touch??? She's down! Perfect! ...Textbook.
Oh darn I'm at the wrong end of the pond...Step taxi... Too slow I don't know when the engine will quit quit. The more throttle the smoother it runs... She's up again... Ten, twenty, now thirty seconds and I let her settle in again. Strange how smooth the engine is at full throttle. The engine still isn't sounding any better at low rpm... I"ll go for another half mile hop. Up, along and down this is getting easy. I'm a couple of hundred yards off shore so I'll let her idle, as rough as she is at the idle, into shore so the engine will have time to cool down. The #1 EGT is still on the pin. it only comes to life as the throttle is opened.
Fifty feet off shore, 2000rpm rough as a porcupines back, temp at 140, I shut off the mags.... Shaving Cream!... I killed the mags too soon. I try to restart, no joy. I try again still no joy but the air is so still the starting motor has given me the boost I needed to get to shore without having to get out the paddles.
This is the frightening part.....
When I got out on the float, gasoline is flowing full bore down the hot exhaust pipe. The hissing is deafening. Do I get out of Dodge and go for a plunge in the clear water or do I hang on hoping that a stray spark doesn't blow me and the plane to kingdom come. Not being the brightest, like John Smith ( skipper on the Titanic) I decide to stay with my ship. I reach back into the cockpit and turn off the master and the gas ( in the reverse order) and in a minute or so the exhaust is cool enough to grab with my bare hand and there isn't a stain of gas to be seen any where.
Five minutes later my heart has stopped racing and I can get back to the job of recovering the plane to my trailer and towing it home. Tomorrow I'll have the gas problem fixed and I'll be off again. This is one flight I won't forget!
Gee I like my Kitfox.... and the extra training I got at flight school!
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Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
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Glad you made it in one piece Noel, I have a friend in Rawdon (about 14 miles) who flies his Model II with a new 582 that replaced his 532 on Full Lotus floats, he lost the tailpipe on his muffler earlier this year and it took away a huge amount of power. He had to land on a nearby lake and hike out. Let me know what you find!
Dave Goddard- Mod IV 1050/582
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Lynn Matteson
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Noel-
Sounds like you know what the leak was...what was it?
Lynn Matteson
Grass Lake, Michigan
Kitfox IV Speedster w/Jabiru 2200
flying w/395+ hrs
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On Aug 23, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
| Quote: | This is the frightening part.....
When I got out on the float, gasoline is flowing full bore down the
hot exhaust pipe. The hissing is deafening.
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| Quote: | Tomorrow I'll have the gas problem fixed and I'll be off again.
This is one flight I won't forget!
Gee I like my Kitfox.... and the extra training I got at flight
school!
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Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: A totally thrilling flight |
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| Quote: | From: Noel Loveys [noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca]
No it was not the first flight in my Kitfox... But it was the first time my
trusty and true 582 did anything but what it was supposed to do.
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You're good at writing, Noel! Keep the stories coming in!
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Ok, I gotta guess here…
The float valve stuck open on one of the bings and as long as you were full throttle it burned the fuel but when you throttled back it flooded that cylinder???
Scott
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:56 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: A totally thrilling flight
No it was not the first flight in my Kitfox... But it was the first time my trusty and true 582 did anything but what it was supposed to do.
I finally got the plane up to the pond today. There were large sections of the pond that were glassy smooth with other sections that had the slightest of ripples on it. Mosquitoes could hardly bother me as I spread my wings and did my first pre-flight in almost a year.... It's been a poor summer for flying, what can I say? The flight controls were checked and perfect, The engine controls were operating flawlessly. I had the rear ropes removed from the plane and all that was left was to launch it into the cool clear water of Shipbuilders pond.
The kids swimming & some people enjoying the summer scenery kept asking when I was going to be ready to fly. I replied a number of times in a few minutes. Finally the tail pipe of the Imprezza was gurgling happily in the water and the plane was afloat.
Last week I got that far and no soap... The battery was dead. Today I had a brand new battery and if that failed there was always the cables in the back of the car. Come hell or high water I was going to fly!
The tanks were filled to ten gallons, enough for a good hour plus. The second check of everything was A-OK. Inflatable life vest on I finally climbed aboard. The frog in my throat bit my tonsils as I shouted "Clear" the trusty 582 jumped to life and then just as quickly died. A couple of primes and it roared to life again.
For a minute or two I was playing with the primer to keep the engine running..... Darn the enrichener is on full... A flick of the control and everything smoothed out to what I expected. I started the stopwatch.
At two minutes I increase the throttle to 3000 rpm. The door is still open and the butterflies playing baseball in my stomach are getting bigger. Is there something I've forgotten??? Five minutes and it's up to 4000 rpm for the mag test. The mag test was textbook with only 100 rpm drop per side. Back to 2000 rpm until the temp gauge hung happily at just over 140. Six minutes (warm up) the magic time I was given and I'm busy with my final check... seat belts, I knew I'd forgotten something. Close and lock the door, now I'm ready to go!
What to heck, Full pitch on the Ivo, full throttle then click the Ivo for 6400rpm... Holy jumpins I just lifted off. Never mind the crow hops, I'm going flying.
The Tiny Tach levelled around 6500 and change, the ASI was solid at 60 and I was heaven bound!
Darn I still can't get over the feeling I've missed something. I decided not to go over any terra firma until I had some serious air under my butt. 2000' came after the first turn of the pond. With every turn I found I was looking less and less at the T&B and paying more attention to my butt. I guess that is why they call it seat of the pants flying. At 2000' I decided to have a little jaunt over the bay ( Notre Dame Bay, Newfoundland) so I headed over the hill to fly over my house and see if my friends next door had made it home from a holiday in Idaho. There was no life to be seen around their place so the next thing to do was to over fly the countless islands which fill the bay.
Half way across the bay ... ( 5 mi or so off shore) on a perfect evening with hardly a ripple to land on, the trusty 582 started to cough. Never mind cough make that full blown bronchitis maybe pneumonia.
You know how they say when the fan stops turning the pilot starts to sweat. The truth is the pilot will be sweating buckets long before that! you don't need to ask any questions on that one!
Hard A-Port and climb like there is no tomorrow (altitude is fuel) Back through the hills and valleys to the pond. The affliction is getting worse! As I reduce throttle #1 EGT nosedives. Will I make it. Never mind, stay tuned to next week Bat man.
I found through experimentation at full throttle the engine worked like parson on payday. As the throttle was pulled back the coughing, missing and fa##ting got worse. And the EGT on cylinder 1 still cooled to the pin almost immediately.
I'm back over land now downwind for my splashdown... My air speed is 60... Flaps.. I pull full flaps as I roll on to a short base. My ASI has just passed 70..... I got to get the nose up ASI 65, 60, 55...Feet wet, 5, 4, 3 feet.... Did I just touch??? She's down! Perfect! ..Textbook.
Oh darn I'm at the wrong end of the pond...Step taxi... Too slow I don't know when the engine will quit quit. The more throttle the smoother it runs... She's up again... Ten, twenty, now thirty seconds and I let her settle in again. Strange how smooth the engine is at full throttle. The engine still isn't sounding any better at low rpm... I"ll go for another half mile hop. Up, along and down this is getting easy. I'm a couple of hundred yards off shore so I'll let her idle, as rough as she is at the idle, into shore so the engine will have time to cool down. The #1 EGT is still on the pin. it only comes to life as the throttle is opened.
Fifty feet off shore, 2000rpm rough as a porcupines back, temp at 140, I shut off the mags.... Shaving Cream!... I killed the mags too soon. I try to restart, no joy. I try again still no joy but the air is so still the starting motor has given me the boost I needed to get to shore without having to get out the paddles.
This is the frightening part.....
When I got out on the float, gasoline is flowing full bore down the hot exhaust pipe. The hissing is deafening. Do I get out of Dodge and go for a plunge in the clear water or do I hang on hoping that a stray spark doesn't blow me and the plane to kingdom come. Not being the brightest, like John Smith ( skipper on the Titanic) I decide to stay with my ship. I reach back into the cockpit and turn off the master and the gas ( in the reverse order) and in a minute or so the exhaust is cool enough to grab with my bare hand and there isn't a stain of gas to be seen any where.
Five minutes later my heart has stopped racing and I can get back to the job of recovering the plane to my trailer and towing it home. Tomorrow I'll have the gas problem fixed and I'll be off again. This is one flight I won't forget!
Gee I like my Kitfox.... and the extra training I got at flight school!
[img]cid:image001.jpg(at)01C7E61D.048CB9C0[/img]
Noel Loveys, RPP, AME intern
Campbellton, Newfoundland,
Canada
Kitfox Mod III-A, 582, B box, Ivo IFA
Aerocet 1100s
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Both float valves stuck open... one much worse that the other.
Noel
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I only hope the next one is a little less thrilling!
Noel
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I was pretty sure it was a sticking float valve (needle) on the #1 carb... I
was wrong... They were both stuck open. My plugs were black and soaking
wet with gas when I pulled them this afternoon. I turned the engine over
without the plugs in and there was lots of gas in the base of the engine
that blew out in a very fine mist.
Noel
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yowsers...that had the potential to get real darn ugly...glad you are still typing and your plane got another chance to fly.
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the next question is WHY? did they get stuck, from debrees. From where? the tanks, the hoses, bad fuel?
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| kitfoxmike wrote: | | the next question is WHY? did they get stuck, from debrees. From where? the tanks, the hoses, bad fuel? |
My money is on the fact that it had not been run in a year...the bowls tend to dry out.. sometimes it is varnish, sometimes a bit of corrosion. I was helping a fellow KF flyer last week and he had not flown his for awhile. He had put new carb boots on that only had (I think) 3.5 (or some rediculously low time) flight hours on them since being installed... Just for giggles I gave them a wiggle after two other KF pilots had just been under the cowl giving it a once over before it was launched.. the rear carb boot was cracked damn near all the way through. I know it would not have lasted long before things got ugly.... the moral of the story is, after prolonged storage periods, make sure you do more of a "condition" inspection before you fly and not just a quick pre-flight. This includes pulling the float bowls to check screens etc. Just a good extra look to make sure you stack the deck in your favor.
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I emptied all the fuel from the system late last fall when I decided not to
install the skis for the winter. I expect that there was a layer of gum in
the float needles at that time. I have never seen any crud in any of the
sumps and they are dripped and checked before each flight.
Noel
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My vote is with the varnish. It was probably there before I drained the
system late last fall.
Noel
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Let me guess.....auto fuel, right?
Lynn
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It doesn't say it all for me, Noel....I'm not "up to speed" with the
582, but I'm guessing again that the 582 needs/uses auto gas, eh?
On Aug 25, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
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582 says it all  Nobody know what's in the stuff. They keep
changing
the formula.
Around here we have a full four seasons... Sometimes it feels like six
months of winter and six months of hard sledding. It's one of the
reasons
I'm not too fussy about flying the 582 in the winter. That and
trying to
find a place to get the plane out to one of the many frozen ponds.
Noel
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Wow! A hole year without flying. I can't even begin with that one. I can't go one day without a flight.
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