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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

Thank you for quoting the law on your side of the big pond, John and 

Noel. Indeed, there is a difference as in my country, 500 ft AGL is the 

strict minimum anywhere, even over high sea. In fact, low passes over 

the runway is technically forbidden and if, e.g. we want to do that in 

formation at our annual air-show, we need prior permission from our 

aviation authorities.



Dave, I support your request to see more people publishing Kitfox 

videos on YouTube. We can learn a lot from it. However, I'd like to ask 

everyone to be careful. I don't know if you have the same happening in 

your countries but over here, we have a big problem with youngsters 

publishing anonymous videos of cars or motorbikes driving at extreme 

speed on highways. The police is seriously concerned.



We shouldn't take risks only to publish a sensational video. If you 

look here: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/

Then enter Kitfox and select all fatal accidents, you'll see that they 

all happened after a stall or spin at very low altitude. While we enjoy 

flying 'low and slow' with our Kitfoxes, we must remember that speed 

and altitude are the keys to safety.



Cheers,

Michel Verheughe

Norway

Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

Michel, 



You have to realize that most of those videes are shot from right over my strips.  So  when taking off or landing the  500 agl does not apply. Plus another thing is since i take off or land pretty well anywhere then every field,sand bar, beach ,lake or river becomes a take off an landing point . 



Now what is really neat is what i think is the real attribute is showing others not for the sake of showing off but for education it brings.   I know a picture is worth a thousand words.



I am a 48 yr  old youngster    



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		  Dave, I support your request to see more people publishing Kitfox 

videos on YouTube. We can learn a lot from it. However, I'd like to ask 

everyone to be careful. I don't know if you have the same happening in 

your countries but over here, we have a big problem with youngsters 

publishing anonymous videos of cars or motorbikes driving at extreme 

speed on highways. The police is seriously concerned.

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

Michel, 



I get Kitfox alerts as well to my inbox and I have seen some other list members accidents as well in the last few months.



As far as stall/spins accidents at low altitude it would make you ask your self, when was the last time that you did some training ?  Are at least a good  few hours of  slow flight at altitude with your Kitfox doing turns , standard rate 15 degree , 30 , 45 and 60 degree banked turns at 45 to 55 mph ?  Then slow it  down to a few mph over stall, see how your stick feels, notice any warning signs like buffeting and less control force .  Just remember you can get inverted in a hurry in a slow flight turn and possibly get into a spin if you not watching.  



Being able to detect when close to  stall  is  a must have  for any pilot. 



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		  Then enter Kitfox and select all fatal accidents, you'll see that they 

all happened after a stall or spin at very low altitude. While we enjoy 

flying 'low and slow' with our Kitfoxes, we must remember that speed 

and altitude are the keys to safety.

jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

well said, michel V in norway!!! tnx for reminding us all. very important point u make. take care.  john bowman covering avid + from airdale. prairieville, la.

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

One of my greatest joys is to fly in the bay, over  the salt water, at about ten feet.  You can easily see the gusts coming  toward you so you are ready before they get to you.  I tend to stay at  least a half a mile away from any longliners (Inshore fishing boats )  or  other boats. 



I have a Loran C station about two miles down the road  from the house.  I pay additional attention about giving that tower at  least a mile of clearance more if possible.



I also endorse Dave's request  for more videos.... One of these days I'll get one of those movie  cameras....  I only spent close to thirty years chasing the ultimate still  frame. 



 

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

Dave:



Have you ever spun your 'Fox on the floats?....  How does it handle the

stalls.  I used to love spins in the C172 but with the pendulum effect of

the Aerocets three feet below the floor I didn't think it was a good idea on

the 'Fox.



Noel



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Float Flyr

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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

Still leaves me as the oldest kid I know!



Noel



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

Don't waste your time, Noel...I've  already got it....it's on a 4x5  

negative in my collection.  : )



Lynn

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On Oct 27, 2007, at 10:20 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

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		  Dave: 



Have you ever spun your 'Fox on the floats?.... How does it handle the 

stalls. I used to love spins in the C172 but with the pendulum effect of 

the Aerocets three feet below the floor I didn't think it was a good idea on 

the 'Fox. 



Noel 	


I have Not spun My  Kitfox on floats but stalls are same as on wheels.



There hae been Kitfox on floats rollled though. I ain;t gonna say who

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

My plane runs out of aileron authority at a bit over 60 degrees of bank with

the floats on.... Then again I always have something in my floats... Rope,

Gas, Boots etc.



Noel



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: Low flying WAS: Kitfox vs. Van's RV

LOL I'll bet the next time you look you'll find changes you would like to

make.



	Noel

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