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Neal.George(at)hurlburt.a
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Listers -    

I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase.  I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL.  The direct route goes right over Atlanta.  I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed.  Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft.  The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.   

Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?  

Or is it just not done?   

Neal George  

RV-7 N8ZG    

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Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Neal,

  

 How about filing VFR, request flight  following and fly 13,500?  ATC (should) ok this and advise you to  remain clear Class Bravo airspace.

  

 I fly "over the top" all the time but not while  filed IFR... that may be the sticky wicket.

  

 Bret Smith

RV-9A "Fuselage"

Blue Ridge,  GA

www.FlightInnovations.com

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danhorton(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Neal,

 If you file IFR they must maintain  separation...dat's da rules.  Given Atlanta's air carrier volume, you're  not gonna get preference over a load of citizens in an Airbus that already did a  ground hold at departure.

  

 Maybe you should just "divert" early, on  purpose.  Filing a route as far north as Nello intersection only adds a  grand total of 13 miles as compared to going direct through the airliner  bowl....one gallon in the Cherokee Jet <g>

  

 Dan

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

As has been suggested, the code can be as simple as "VFR" if that works 

for you.  Seems like every Class B (and C)  has their own template for 

how they are going to handle transitioning  traffic.  Doesn't effect you 

VFR unless you let it.



I'm not advocating being a  fly in the airspace ointment , just that  

the template isn't normally shared with us.  Just because they route you 

around at 13,000 when IFR, doesn't imply that they wouldn't be totally 

comfortable with you going straight over the top at 13,500.  If they 

aren't, they will try to get you out of there - and it's probably a good 

idea to take the hint.  But I wouldn't  make the assumption unless tested.



I recently filed IFR from (near) ABE in PA to Montauk LI - direct route 

takes you right over the center of the NY Class B.  The Class B tops at 

7000, I filed direct at 9000.  But after taking off I got a routing that 

would take me north of airspace,  up the CT shoreline then over to LI.  

After wearing out a pencil lead and trying to digest half of what I 

wrote down, I just waited until I cleared a scattered deck at 7, 

cancelled IFR and announced I was going direct Montauk at 9500.  No 

Problem, just let us know of any altitude change.



I returned essentially the same way except I didn't file this time.  

Just requested FF direct over the top at 8500.  Despite making the 

flight at evening rush/push, I never got a request for a deviation, only 

traffic calls including (2) planned 500' separations that would have 

looked like near misses if not planned and expected.  Nothing like 

watching NYC light up like a 3D pinball machine from the almost 

stationary perch of my Maule.... but that's NYC where Ciao is official 

ATC speak.



Anyway, for years Charlotte's template seemed to negate any overflight - 

VFR or IFR.  Not if they could help it.  Then about 5 years ago, the 

template changed and I began getting routed right dead center over the 

top.  Go figure.



I'd say use the VFR option when it makes sense.  Sometimes in heavy 

traffic but good viz, it may actually make it easier for all involved.



George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI wrote:

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 Listers -



 I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL 

 airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase.  I'm planning a 

 trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL.  The direct route 

 goes right over Atlanta.  I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around 

 ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed.  

 Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every 

 altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft.  The chart shows the top of ATL at 

 12500.



 Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?

 Or is it just not done?



 Neal George

 RV-7 N8ZG 

 (Gluing Canopy)



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jclarkmail(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Neal,



Not an answer to your question but are you building in Columbia???????



If so, where??



We have 5 RV7 projects happening on the field at Owens.



Just curious.



James

RV6 flying, RV6A under (infinite) construction   



On Nov 7, 2007 10:30 AM, George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil (Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil)> wrote:

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Listers -    

I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase.  I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL.  The direct route goes right over Atlanta.  I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed.  Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft.  The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.    

Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?  

Or is it just not done?   

Neal George  

RV-7 N8ZG    

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Neal.George(at)hurlburt.a
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Naw... Going up for a meeting...maybe...if the planets align.



I'm stationed at Hurlburt, living and building about 15 miles west in

Navarre, FL. 

Capt Neal George

605TES/TSI

Hurlburt Field, FL  32544 

850-884-9121

DSN 579-9121

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Steve Glasgow

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 674

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: Transiting ATL

No just go at 12500 and don't call anyone.

  

  

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Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG

dale1rv6(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: Transiting ATL

Right, I call them when  I need them. That is rare, and half of those times it does not help.   

   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJM_y0ru8M  

   

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Happy landings,  

Dale  

         

  

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No just go at 12500 and don't call anyone.  

    

   

    

   

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Neal.George(at)hurlburt.a
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Thanks Folks - 



VFR w/ flight following may indeed be the answer.  This E-W trip is not

one of our common routes.  Most often we're heading 050 or 230, more or

less.  And we usually file Direct, are given Direct, and just about the

time we get to the 30-mile veil, get a re-route.  You'd think that after

eight or ten trips I'd learn to just plan on it and file it that way...

Capt Neal George

605TES/TSI

Hurlburt Field, FL  32544 

850-884-9121

DSN 579-9121

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rcutter(at)cupower.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: Transiting ATL

Neal,

 You must just be having bad luck.  I used to fly over  ATL routinely at 8k and 9k.  Never a problem making the same trip.   Occasionaly they would have me to go Greenwood and Athens but most of the time  right over the top.

  

 BTW, I am one of the RV 7 builders James referred to (at)  CUB.

  

 Robet Cutter

 RVRC

 N516RC Reserved

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