Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

ferguson aircraft??

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kolb-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

grantr

Joined: 12 Sep 2007
Posts: 217

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

http://www.fergusonaircraft.com/home



Is this a knock off of a Kolb?

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

Possums

Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Posts: 247

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

At 07:14 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



http://www.fergusonaircraft.com/home



Is this a knock off of a Kolb?


	




Looks real suspicious to me.

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

_________________
Possum

beauford173(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

..naw... Ferguson made tractors, Possum.....

besides, nobody'd just steal someone else's airplane design....

Beauford

do not archive

---

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

Not as much as it used to be back in 1991. The original builder took the 

Kolb MKII - MKIII and duplicated himself one as cheaply as possible, 

cutting a lot of corners in the process. It looked good from the 

outside, so he went into business. Structurally, there was no 

comparison, I still have a bunch of old photos I took of the unclothed 

structure years ago at Sun N Fun, and from looking at their web page, 

they are still using similar techniques now. Not in the same league as a 

Kolb. The company has been sold, and now it has been changed somewhat in 

appearance. But the general heritage still shows through, doesn't it?



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

grantr wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 http://www.fergusonaircraft.com/home



 Is this a knock off of a Kolb?





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147230#147230

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

How'd they get the tail wheel on the wrong end of the airplane?



Rick

do not archive



On Nov 19, 2007 7:53 PM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org  (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike < richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>



Not as much as it used to be back in 1991. The original builder took the

Kolb MKII - MKIII and duplicated himself one as cheaply as possible,

cutting a lot of corners in the process. It looked good from the 

outside, so he went into business. Structurally, there was no

comparison, I still have a bunch of old photos I took of the unclothed

structure years ago at Sun N Fun, and from looking at their web page,

they are still using similar techniques now. Not in the same league as a 

Kolb. The company has been sold, and now it has been changed somewhat in

appearance. But the general heritage still shows through, doesn't it?



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

grantr wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Kolb-List message posted by: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com (grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com)>



  http://www.fergusonaircraft.com/home



 Is this a knock off of a Kolb?





 Read this topic online here:



  


	


[b]

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

The answer is yes, this is a Kolb copy.



  If memory serve correctly, when Ferguson first copied the Kolb TwinStar, the most notable change one could tell from a distance was that he added a wing strut to each wing.  I can't recall any other alteration, except for having dual wing struts on his version, and Homer having a single wing strut on the original design.



  I do not know anything about the quality, or lack thereof, of his copies of the Kolbs.  His airplanes were referred to as Fergies.



  I didn't know they were still in business, and making nose-draggers, no less!        



                                    Mike Welch  



_________________________________________________________________

You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now.

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

Wade Lawicki

Joined: 27 May 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Nashville Tn.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: ferguson aircraft??

I have one of each, a Firestar 2 and, a Fergy 2a.  Other than the looks from the outside, they are designed differently. I love flying both of them. Many aircraft are derived from combining ideas from other aircraft. I don't see it as a copy or as a negative.

                                     Fly Safe,

                                                   Wade

do not archive

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: ferguson aircraft??

Wade,



  I agree with you, about not viewing a "clone" or "copy" as a negative.  The fact is, a well-designed aircraft is often copied.  Jeesh, look at all the Quicksilver clones that came about, due the design of that airplane.  Some were very successful and very well made.  I can't remember which came first, the Avid or the Kitfox, but in any event, now there are copies of the copies.



  And with each new design, copy or otherwise, there is usually many changes and improvements.  The fact is, when any of us need to fabricate something, we usually check to see how someone else built theirs.



  Just my opinion,   Mike Welch



Do Not Archive



  

 	  Quote: 	
		   Subject: Re: ferguson aircraft??

 From: wlawicki(at)yahoo.com

 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:39:29 -0800

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com



 



 I have one of each, a Firestar 2 and, a Fergy 2a. Other than the looks from the outside, they are designed differently. I love flying both of them. Many aircraft are derived from combining ideas from other aircraft. I don't see it as a copy or as a negative.

 Fly Safe,

 Wade

 do not archive





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147592#147592






	


_________________________________________________________________

Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.

http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: ferguson aircraft??

Hi Guys:



Bill Ferguson bought a mkIII kit from Homer Kolb.



Later, Bill contacted Homer with a deal to correct all the errors in Homer's mkIII design.  Homer told Ferguson he was not interested in his changes.



Sun and Fun 1991 Bill Ferguson showed up with his improved model of the Kolb MKIII.  The fuselage and wings had been redesigned, but the tailboom and the tail section were straight from Homer's kit.  The folding mechanism for the elevators and horizontal stabilizers took Homer Kolb and Dennis Souder a tremendous amount of time and effort to design and build.  Ferguson made no effort to change the tail section, but claimed his airplane to be a Ferguson.  I personally believe this hurt Homer a great deal.



Take care,



john h

mkIII

Edwards AFB, CA

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kolb-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum