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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Has anyone taken off a wing and rolled a Monowheel on side (using seat

cushions) to either drop gear, or repair a flat? Any pics?



Has anyone rolled a Monowheel on side with 1 wing off to try making work

on Torque Tube area a bit easier? Does it help?



How fast can you go with acceptable handling on ground (GPS) with Tri gear

and wings off?



Ron Parigoris

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi! Ron

I can only answer the trike question:- I would expect the trike would

handle  up to 60kts without much question, it has directional control

with the differential braking. You need to be very much able to

anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and engine though, ie:-

hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings. Of course you would

need a very long runway on which to accelerate then brake. The friction

damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on song" too.

Regards

Bob Harrison  G-PTAG

 



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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi Bob



"I would expect the trike would handle up to 60kts without much question,

it has directional control with the differential braking. You need to be

very much able to anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and

engine though, ie:- hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings. Of

course you would need a very long runway on which to accelerate then

brake. The friction damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on

song" too."



Thx. for the reply.



I would expect about the same of the Trigear. Did you ever run yours

without wings on?



I had a I-80 Kasperwing motorglider, and without the wing and associated

inertia, it became less directional stable at a lesser speed than with

wing. 



Ron P.

josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi Ron,



For the first part of the question:

Did a lot of the filling and sanding with the fuse tilted and raised. An engine hoist is a nice thing to have. As for the second part, i can't think of any reason why somebody would like to try that. Or maybe? Frighten the heck out of anybody on the airport? Forgot my wings, sorry  What's your reason for asking?



Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

peter.rees01(at)tiscali.c
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

I saw some footage on U-Tube of an RV owner who started their trike without 

the wings - wrecked it totally in about 3 seconds! I know that the engine 

was probably a lot more powerful but I'd take plenty of advice (Andy Draper) 

before trying it.

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi! Ron 

Yes I did some taxi trials initially without the wings but I can't say I

was particularly paying attention to air speed since the Pitot is on the

wings!

I was more concerned about ground cooling.

With the wings was difficult due to the temptation to lift off and there

is more inertia required to brake. With less contact weight between

tyres and runway.

Regards

Bob H  G-PTAG



server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us

Sent: 27 November 2007 06:55

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: A few curiosity questions






Hi Bob



"I would expect the trike would handle up to 60kts without much

question,

it has directional control with the differential braking. You need to be

very much able to anticipate the adverse torque effect of the prop and

engine though, ie:- hard right rudder would be needed as if with wings.

Of

course you would need a very long runway on which to accelerate then

brake. The friction damper on the nose leg would need to be right "on

song" too."



Thx. for the reply.



I would expect about the same of the Trigear. Did you ever run yours

without wings on?



I had a I-80 Kasperwing motorglider, and without the wing and associated

inertia, it became less directional stable at a lesser speed than with

wing. 



Ron P.



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rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi Jos



"Whats your reason for asking?"



Reason is two fold:

If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going anywhere in

a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard

stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side could

allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around where you

landed. This would also work for a gear up landing.



Second fold portion was a curiosity question for poor soles having to get

way in back of fuse to work. Just a thought that perhaps it would be

easier if plane was on side and you didn't have to do quite as much battle

not trying to damage stabil;ator push-rod??



Ron Parigoris

rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.n
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi Peter



"I saw some footage on U-Tube of an RV owner who started their trike

without 

 	  Quote: 	
		   the wings - wrecked it totally in about 3 seconds! I know that the engine 

 was probably a lot more powerful but I'd take plenty of advice (Andy Draper) 

 before trying it."


	


I think I saw that video?? The one I saw was not a RV, it was retractable,

and had a turboprop, he had wheel chocked and fuse was not tied off and

the gear collapsed.



Ron Parigoris

jodel(at)nildram.co.uk
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Simon Smith

jodel(at)nildram.co.uk



On 27 Nov 2007, at 18:01, <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us 

 > wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 If you fly somewhere and land with a flat, plane is not going  

 anywhere in

 a hurry. If you can take off starboard wing (perhaps starboard

 stabilator?, use seat cushions or something soft and roll on side  

 could

 allow you to repair flat if you can't find stuff to do it around  

 where you

 landed. This would also work for a gear up landing.


	


Unless you have a two blade prop you will have to remove that too.



Assuming that you are talking about the mono, why not carry one of the  

jacking adapters that has been mentioned here and borrow a car jack?



Simon

terrys(at)cisco.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: A few curiosity questions

Hi Ron,



For tire repairs, etc., we carry a jacking block with us that allows the

use of a common floor jack to jack up the mono-wheel.  See the following

link for a description (look under the 'Mono-wheel jacking block'

section);



http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/~terryseaver/N135TD_mods.htm



Regards,

Terry Seaver

A135 / N135TD



 



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