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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: Slick Start

G'day all,   

Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with this option and whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the installation.  

Cheers,  

Ron  

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Slick Start

I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.

   

  I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the delivery problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.

   

  Bill DeRouchey

  billderou(at)yahoo.com (billderou(at)yahoo.com)

  N939SB, flying



"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> wrote:

  [quote]     G'day all, 

  Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with this option and whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the installation.

  Cheers, 

Ron 



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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Slick Start

Thanks Bill,

  

 On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add  a tacho source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000.  Is this  something that others have done/recommend?  How effective is a mag check at  run-up without this switch?

  

 TIA

 Ron

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 [quote]         From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill    DeRouchey

Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM

To:    rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Slick    Start

   

   I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works    well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a    ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks.    Solved the problem by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.

    

   I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the    delivery problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort. You    may have the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.

    

   Bill DeRouchey

   billderou(at)yahoo.com (billderou(at)yahoo.com)

   N939SB, flying



"McGANN, Ron"    <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> wrote:

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		            G'day all, 

     Vans has finally received their back ordered      Unison Slick Start systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with      this option and whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I      can prepare for the installation.

     Cheers, 

Ron 



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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: Slick Start

Here's what you need for  the tach signal, assuming you're using two tach switches and not a key  switch.

  

  Dave Saylor

 AirCrafters LLC

 140 Aviation Way

 Watsonville, CA 

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   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN,  Ron

Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:41 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Slick  Start

 

 Thanks Bill,

  

 On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add  a tacho source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000.  Is this  something that others have done/recommend?  How effective is a mag check at  run-up without this switch?

  

 TIA

 Ron

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		           From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill    DeRouchey

Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM

To:    rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Slick    Start

   

   I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works    well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a    ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks.    Solved the problem by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.

    

   I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the    delivery problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort. You    may have the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.

    

   Bill DeRouchey

   billderou(at)yahoo.com (billderou(at)yahoo.com)

   N939SB, flying



"McGANN, Ron"    <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> wrote:

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		            G'day all, 

     Vans has finally received their back ordered      Unison Slick Start systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with      this option and whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I      can prepare for the installation.

     Cheers, 

Ron 



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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Slick Start

Ron-

  From only my own experience .... I simply listen to the engine for smoothness and a small rpm drop and ignore the fact that the rpm reads zero. My sub-conscious can spot a miss within 10 milliseconds of the event and awake me from the dead in another 10 milliseconds. But thats just me. 

   

  If you feel more comfortable with the switch then do it. I was seeing a problem with the EIS reporting (with an alert) the engine running at 3000, 3200, 3550 rpm.  Usually I saw this in a decent and believed I was decending too fast or something was wrong with my governor. Then I saw the alert flying the pattern when the engine could not have possibly been overrevving. Looked at the P-leads with an oscilloscope and the two P-leads had vastly different patterns. With the Slick Start it looked like ringing and the other mag looked more like I expected to see. Recently changed the sensor to the mag without the Slick Start and I  have not seen the over rev since, but I would feel more comfortable with this fix if I had another 10 hours, or so, on the aircraft since it happened randomly.

   

  So, go ahead and add the switch but if you see an overrev and it is pointing to the Slick Start mag then change it to the other mag to verify the problem. It would be good to get more input on this problem and the switch could be a great debugging tool. 

   

  Bill

  



"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> wrote:

  [quote]    Thanks Bill,

   

  On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000.  Is this something that others have done/recommend?  How effective is a mag check at run-up without this switch?

   

  TIA

  Ron

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  [quote]      From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey

Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Slick Start

  

  I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto. Works well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to have caused a ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem by moving the tach sensor to the other mag.

   

  I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder if the delivery problems were a result of this engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have the new design. Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.

   

  Bill DeRouchey

  billderou(at)yahoo.com (billderou(at)yahoo.com)

  N939SB, flying



"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> wrote:

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		      G'day all, 

  Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with this option and whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the installation.

  Cheers, 

Ron 



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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Slick Start

I feel the same way as Bill.  The mag and the Lightspeed have

different pulse counts for RPM, so I set my EIS up for the

lightspeed.  It works great, but I don't get to see what

my mag drop is when running on just the mag. Even with a switch,

one would read different than actual, due to the pulse count

difference.  To me, I see it as no big deal.  When you run on

just the lightspeed, you only drop 10-20 RPM.  When you run on

just the mag, you can tell pretty easily if it's running smooth

or dropping a big drop.  The most important thing is that the

rpm doesn't drop a ton and it runs smooth, and you can hear that

by ear easily.  Besides that, with a lightspeed I haven't had

a single iota of problems with my top plugs, and with fine wire

plugs, my bottoms are staying very clean too...so fouling

hasn't been an issue.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Bill DeRouchey wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Ron-

  From only my own experience .... I simply listen to the engine for 

 smoothness and a small rpm drop and ignore the fact that the rpm reads 

 zero. My sub-conscious can spot a miss within 10 milliseconds of the 

 event and awake me from the dead in another 10 milliseconds. But thats 

 just me.

  

 If you feel more comfortable with the switch then do it. I was seeing a 

 problem with the EIS reporting (with an alert) the engine running at 

 3000, 3200, 3550 rpm.  Usually I saw this in a decent and believed I was 

 decending too fast or something was wrong with my governor. Then I saw 

 the alert flying the pattern when the engine could not have possibly 

 been overrevving. Looked at the P-leads with an oscilloscope and the two 

 P-leads had vastly different patterns. With the Slick Start it looked 

 like ringing and the other mag looked more like I expected to see. 

 Recently changed the sensor to the mag without the Slick Start and I 

 have not seen the over rev since, but I would feel more comfortable with 

 this fix if I had another 10 hours, or so, on the aircraft since it 

 happened randomly.

  

 So, go ahead and add the switch but if you see an overrev and it is 

 pointing to the Slick Start mag then change it to the other mag to 

 verify the problem. It would be good to get more input on this 

 problem and the switch could be a great debugging tool.

  

 Bill

 

 

 */"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>/* wrote:

 

     Thanks Bill,

      

     On a related subject, I have dual mags and was going to add a tacho

     source select switch (left/right) for the GRT EIS 6000.  Is this

     something that others have done/recommend?  How effective is a mag

     check at run-up without this switch?

      

     TIA

     Ron

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         *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

         [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of

         *Bill DeRouchey

         *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:00 AM

         *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

         *Subject:* Re: Slick Start

 

         I've got one on my aircraft wired to a retard breaker magneto.

         Works well. Only problem I have had is the Slick Start seems to

         have caused a ringing on the P-lead that interfered with my GRT

         EIS 6000 counting ticks. Solved the problem by moving the tach

         sensor to the other mag.

          

         I recall that they were going to redesign this unit and I wonder

         if the delivery problems were a result of this

         engineering/manufacturing effort. You may have the new design.

         Anyway, I will look for a wiring diagram.

          

         Bill DeRouchey

         billderou(at)yahoo.com <mailto:billderou(at)yahoo.com>

         N939SB, flying

 

         */"McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>/* wrote:

 

             G'day all,

             Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick

             Start systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with

             this option and whether anyone has a wiring

             diagram/installation manual so I can prepare for the

             installation.

             Cheers,

             Ron

 

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: Slick Start

I needed to wrap up the engine installation so I gave up on SS since I 

was hearing several more months. I swapped out my retard breaker mag for 

a impulse coupled mag.   Too bad...



AeroElectric Connection article on wiring attached.



Brian Sutherland

Nashville, TN 40308

(still finishing!)



McGANN, Ron wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 G'day all,



 Vans has finally received their back ordered Unison Slick Start 

 systems.  Was curious as to how many are going with this option and 

 whether anyone has a wiring diagram/installation manual so I can 

 prepare for the installation.



 Cheers,

 Ron

 "Warning:

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 confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended

 recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any

 attachments is expressly prohibited.  If you have received this email

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 taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free,

 however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the

 sender's responsibility.  It is your responsibility to ensure virus

 checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Slick Start

I have dual Slicks, both have couplers.  No Slick Start. EIS tach is 

connected to only the left mag.  I listen for mag drop on the other. No 

issues so far.

Anh

N591VU



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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Slick Start

We wanted SlickStart for our Bendix retard (shower of sparks) magneto, but low and behold, as part of Slick’s “redesign” of the SlickStart, they dropped the SS1002 model, which was for Bendix (non-Slick) magnetos.  Now they only support Slick mags, at least for retard magnetos.  

   

Most dealers don’t stock SlickStart (instead shipping from factory), or had expended their stock, but after much searching, I found possibly the only remaining SS1002 Slick Start module in the world, in Germany.  Installing it soon . . .  

   

TDT  

40025  

I love wheelpants!  

   

Tim Dawson-Townsend  

Aurora Flight Sciences  

tdt(at)aurora.aero (tdt(at)aurora.aero)   

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617-905-4800 (mobile)  

   

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