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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

Anybody have any technical data for the Slick mags included with 540 supplied by Vans?  I am installing a Slick Start and the lack of data on the mags is a PITA.    

TIA  

Ron   

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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

Which model do you want information on?  

   

John Cox  

600  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron

 Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:10 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Slick Mags  

  

   

   

Anybody have any technical data for the Slick mags included with 540 supplied by Vans?  I am installing a Slick Start and the lack of data on the mags is a PITA.    

TIA 

 Ron 

 187   [quote]"Warning:The information contained in this email and any attached files isconfidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intendedrecipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or anyattachments is expressly prohibited.  If you have received this emailin error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has beentaken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free,however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not thesender's responsibility.  It is your responsibility to ensure viruschecks are completed before installing any data sent in this email toyour computer."    [b]

taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Slick Mags

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Hi Ron,

  

  

I’ve been working  this subject, also, and have gathered and crunched data from a number of sources  to find what we need. The best data came from OC Baker on the AeroElectric-List.  The Slick Service Letter SL2-96 that comes with the SlickStart mostly addresses  replacement of existing ignition vibrators, not a fresh new installation. One of  the concerns not clearly addressed in SL2-96 is how to ground out the right mag  out while cranking the engine to ensure that the right mag does not fire at  twenty some degrees before top dead center (TDC) and create a kick back.  Apparently, the grounding out can be accomplished either by the way the starting  switch wiring is connected or by the way the SkickStart is connected to  accomplish the needed grounding.   

  

Lets set the stage:  I am using the keyed start switch, IO-540D4A5, SlickStart (SS1001), electrical  and FWF kits, all from Van’s. The IO-540 came with a retard breaker Slick mag on  the left and a non retard breaker Slick mag on the right. The retard terminal is  labeled on the left mag. No impulse coupler is on either  mag. 

  

Per SL2-96,  SlickStart Pin VIN is the electrical supply into the unit and is connected to  the output side of the starter solenoid through a 5 amp fuse to this pin. Then  whenever you are feeding electricity to the starter you are also feeding the  SlickStart. SlickStart Pin GND is connected to the grounding screw on the left  mag (retard breaker magneto).  SlickStart Pin 1 is connected to the P-lead  terminal of the left mag. Pin 3 is connected to the left mag retard breaker  terminal. According to OC Baker, the function of Pin 3  is to tell Pin 1 to fire only when the  retard breaker points are open which will be near top dead center. This provides  the retarded spark which is desired while the engine is cranking. So far, so  good.  

  

Now is where SL2-96  and Page OP37-13 of Van’s RV-10 Wiring Harness Manual become a little unclear.  One of the configurations in SL2-96 says 

SlickStart Pin 2  gets connected to the P-lead of the right mag (non-retard breaker magneto). OC  Baker says that the purpose of Pin 2 is to ground out the right magneto so that  it can not fire an advanced (twenty some degrees before TDC) spark while the  engine is cranking. The diagram on Van’s Page OP37-13 implies there should be a  jumper between the R terminal and GND terminal of the keyed start switch. And  that this jumper causes the right mag to be grounded only while the keyed start  switch is in the “start” position This seems to be redundant with SlickStart  Pin 2 but it also seems that doing both would not be harmful. I need some help  here 

  

Well, that is what I  have so far. I kick this out to the List for helpful  review/critique/inputs/help/feedback. Please, no flames! 

  

Roger  Standley 

N291RV  (Reserved)

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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Slick Mags

Ron-

  You have done your homework. This is exactly the setup I am using with both the Slickstart and the switch grounding the right mag. Only reason for the double grounding is a backfire can be very expensive and the cost is zero to add protection for a broken wire.

   

  Bill 

  N939SB



Roger Standley <taildragon(at)msn.com> wrote:

  [quote]      <?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->    Hi Ron,

   

    I’ve been working this subject, also, and have gathered and crunched data from a number of sources to find what we need. The best  data came from OC Baker on the AeroElectric-List. The Slick Service Letter SL2-96 that comes with the SlickStart mostly addresses replacement of existing ignition vibrators, not a fresh new installation. One of the concerns not clearly addressed in SL2-96 is how to ground out the right mag out while cranking the engine to ensure that the right mag does not fire at twenty some degrees before top dead center (TDC) and create a kick back. Apparently, the grounding out can be accomplished either by the way the starting switch wiring is connected or by the way the SkickStart is connected to accomplish the needed grounding.  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

   

  Lets set the stage: I am using the keyed start switch, IO-540D4A5, SlickStart (SS1001), electrical and FWF kits, all from Van’s. The IO-540 came with a retard breaker Slick mag on the left and a non retard breaker Slick mag on the right. The retard terminal is labeled on the left mag. No impulse coupler is on either mag.

   

  Per SL2-96, SlickStart Pin VIN is the electrical supply into the unit and is connected to the output side of the starter solenoid through a 5 amp fuse to this pin. Then whenever you are feeding electricity to the starter you are also feeding the SlickStart. SlickStart Pin GND is connected to the grounding screw on the left mag (retard breaker magneto).   SlickStart Pin 1 is connected to the P-lead terminal of the left mag. Pin 3 is connected to the left mag retard breaker terminal. According to OC Baker, the function of Pin 3  is to tell Pin 1 to fire only when the retard breaker points are open which will be near top dead center. This provides the retarded spark which is desired while the engine is cranking. So far, so good. 

   

  Now is where SL2-96 and Page OP37-13 of Van’s RV-10 Wiring Harness Manual become a little unclear. One of the configurations in SL2-96 says

  SlickStart Pin 2 gets connected to the P-lead of the right mag (non-retard breaker magneto). OC Baker says that the purpose of Pin 2 is to ground out the right magneto so that it can not fire an advanced (twenty some degrees before TDC) spark while the engine is cranking. The diagram on Van’s Page OP37-13 implies there should be a jumper between the R terminal and GND terminal of the keyed start switch. And that this jumper causes the right mag to be grounded only while the keyed start switch is in the “start” position This seems to be redundant with SlickStart Pin 2 but it also seems that doing both would not be harmful. I need some help here

   

  Well, that is what I have so  far. I kick this out to the List for helpful review/critique/inputs/help/feedback. Please, no flames!

   

  Roger Standley

  N291RV (Reserved)



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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: Slick Mags

Additional info re SlickStart:

   

  I had noticed a lot of ringing on the Left magneto P-Lead and am blaming this on the SlickStart. My engine monitor picks up RPM from the P-Lead. When connected to the Left mag, once in a while I got strange RPM values. This was immediately fixed when I moved the pickup to the right mag.

   

  This is not a reason to be cautious of the SlickStart as I believe the SlickStart and breaker retard mag is a great combination at a good price.

   

  Bill

   

   

Roger Standley <taildragon(at)msn.com> wrote:  [quote]      <?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->    Hi Ron,

    

    I’ve been working this subject, also, and have gathered and crunched data from a number of sources to find what we need. The best data came from OC Baker on the AeroElectric-List. The Slick Service Letter SL2-96 that comes with the SlickStart mostly addresses replacement of existing ignition vibrators, not a fresh new installation. One of the concerns not clearly addressed in SL2-96 is how to ground out the right mag out while cranking the engine to ensure that the right mag does not fire at twenty some degrees before top dead center (TDC) and create a kick back. Apparently, the grounding out can be accomplished either by the way the starting switch wiring is connected or by the way the SkickStart is connected to accomplish the needed grounding.  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"  />

   

  Lets set the stage: I am using the keyed start switch, IO-540D4A5, SlickStart (SS1001), electrical and FWF kits, all from Van’s. The IO-540 came with a retard breaker Slick mag on the left and a non retard breaker Slick mag on the right. The retard terminal is labeled on the left mag. No impulse coupler is on either mag.

   

  Per SL2-96, SlickStart Pin VIN is the electrical supply into the unit and is connected  to the output side of the starter solenoid through a 5 amp fuse to this pin. Then whenever you are feeding electricity to the starter you are also feeding the SlickStart. SlickStart Pin GND is connected to the grounding screw on the left mag (retard breaker magneto).  SlickStart Pin 1 is connected to the P-lead terminal of the left mag. Pin 3 is connected to the left mag retard breaker terminal. According to OC Baker, the function of Pin 3  is to tell Pin 1 to fire only when the retard breaker points are open which will be near top dead center. This provides the retarded spark which is desired while the engine is cranking. So far, so good. 

   

  Now is where SL2-96 and Page OP37-13 of Van’s RV-10 Wiring Harness Manual become a little unclear. One of the configurations in SL2-96 says

  SlickStart Pin 2 gets connected to the P-lead of the right mag (non-retard breaker magneto). OC Baker says that the purpose of Pin 2 is to ground out the right magneto so that it can not fire an advanced (twenty some degrees before TDC) spark while the engine is cranking. The diagram on Van’s Page OP37-13 implies there should be a jumper between the R terminal and GND terminal of the keyed start switch. And that this jumper causes the right mag to be grounded only while the keyed start switch is in the “start” position This seems to be redundant with SlickStart Pin 2 but it also seems that doing both would not be harmful. I need some help here

   

  Well, that is what I have so far. I kick this out to the List for helpful review/critique/inputs/help/feedback. Please, no flames!

   

  Roger Standley

  N291RV (Reserved)



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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

Thanks Roger, this is  excellent input!

  

 I have a Push button  start and have wired the start circuitry such that the start button will only  energise the starter/Slick start when the Right Mag is grounded.  I also  have a retard breaker on the left mag only.  No impulse couplers on either  mag.  Funny, I thought an impulse coupler on the left mag was  standard.

  

 Seems my install will be  quite straightforward.

  

 thanks again

 Ron 

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 [quote]         From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger    Standley

Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2008 3:43 AM

To:    rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Slick    Mags

   

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->      Hi Ron,

    

      

I’ve been working    this subject, also, and have gathered and crunched data from a number of    sources to find what we need. The best data came from OC Baker on the    AeroElectric-List. The Slick Service Letter SL2-96 that comes with the    SlickStart mostly addresses replacement of existing ignition vibrators, not a    fresh new installation. One of the concerns not clearly addressed in SL2-96 is    how to ground out the right mag out while cranking the engine to ensure that    the right mag does not fire at twenty some degrees before top dead center    (TDC) and create a kick back. Apparently, the grounding out can be    accomplished either by the way the starting switch wiring is connected or by    the way the SkickStart is connected to accomplish the needed grounding.        

    

Lets set the    stage: I am using the keyed start switch, IO-540D4A5, SlickStart (SS1001),    electrical and FWF kits, all from Van’s. The IO-540 came with a retard breaker    Slick mag on the left and a non retard breaker Slick mag on the right. The    retard terminal is labeled on the left mag. No impulse coupler is on either    mag.   

    

Per SL2-96,    SlickStart Pin VIN is the electrical supply into the unit and is connected to    the output side of the starter solenoid through a 5 amp fuse to this pin. Then    whenever you are feeding electricity to the starter you are also feeding the    SlickStart. SlickStart Pin GND is connected to the grounding screw on the left    mag (retard breaker magneto).  SlickStart Pin 1 is connected to the    P-lead terminal of the left mag. Pin 3 is connected to the left mag retard    breaker terminal. According to OC Baker, the function of Pin 3  is to tell Pin 1 to fire only when the    retard breaker points are open which will be near top dead center. This    provides the retarded spark which is desired while the engine is cranking. So    far, so good.    

    

Now is where    SL2-96 and Page OP37-13 of Van’s RV-10 Wiring Harness Manual become a little    unclear. One of the configurations in SL2-96 says   

SlickStart Pin 2    gets connected to the P-lead of the right mag (non-retard breaker magneto). OC    Baker says that the purpose of Pin 2 is to ground out the right magneto so    that it can not fire an advanced (twenty some degrees before TDC) spark while    the engine is cranking. The diagram on Van’s Page OP37-13 implies there should    be a jumper between the R terminal and GND terminal of the keyed start switch.    And that this jumper causes the right mag to be grounded only while the keyed    start switch is in the “start” position This seems to be redundant with    SlickStart Pin 2 but it also seems that doing both would not be harmful. I    need some help here   

    

Well, that is what    I have so far. I kick this out to the List for helpful    review/critique/inputs/help/feedback. Please, no flames!   

    

Roger    Standley   

N291RV    (Reserved)

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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

Hi John,

  

 LHS Model 6393 (with retard breaker)

 RHS Model 6350

  

 cheers

 Ron



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		           From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W.    Cox

Sent: Monday, 4 February 2008 4:08 PM

To:    rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Slick    Mags

   

      

Which model do you    want information on?   

    

John    Cox   

600   

             

   

From:    owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:10    PM

To:    rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Slick    Mags

   

    

    

Anybody have any technical data    for the Slick mags included with 540 supplied by Vans?  I am installing a    Slick Start and the lack of data on the mags is a PITA.        

TIA 

Ron    

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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Yes, Ron, I expected an impulse coupler on the left mag, too. When I  discovered no impulse coupler, I ordered the SlickStart. I still don't know if  having redundant right mag grounds is OK. I am leaning toward just using the  jumper on the ignition switch and leaving SlickStart Pin 2 disconnected. Maybe  someone else will chime in here and set us straight.

  

 Roger

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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

I have the same setup in N939SB and ran the grounding wire from the SlickStart to the right Mag P-lead and also grounded the right Mag P-lead during start switch activation. Since a backfire could be very expensive and the cost of running both wires is zero, I believed this was cheap insurance against a broken wire. No issues at 160 hours.

   

  Bill

   

  



Roger Standley <taildragon(at)msn.com> wrote:

  [quote]      <?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->    Yes, Ron, I expected an impulse coupler on the left mag, too. When I discovered no impulse coupler, I ordered the SlickStart. I still don't  know if having redundant right mag grounds is OK. I am leaning toward just using the jumper on the ignition switch and leaving SlickStart Pin 2 disconnected. Maybe someone else will chime in here and set us straight.

   

  Roger

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mckervey(at)edge.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

Bill,

  

 The new Slick-Start doesn't have a pin  2.

  

 Joe 

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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Slick Mags

Joe-

  I can't think of a design reason to drop pin 2 functionality except to limit their liability in lawsuits. I suppose that every kick-back lawsuit will automatically name Unison as a defendant and they can create uncertainity by blaming the right mag.

   

  I looked for information on the new version with no joy.

   

  Does anyone have a description of the changes between new/old?

  Is the new version now being shipped?

  Can anyone send a new wiring diagram?

   

  Thanks,

  Bill



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  [quote]    Bill,

   

  The new  Slick-Start doesn't have a pin 2.

   

  Joe 

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